Ep. #176: How Bobby Cut His Body Fat In HALF In Just 90 Days

Bobby: [00:00:00] It was transformational to have something that fit me like a glove. I didn’t spend a lot of time trying to make the stuff out of the book work for me. I was able to work with someone that was an expert and tell me how to make this fit me. That’s what made it efficient. That’s why I think the results were so good.

Mike Matthews: Hey, this is Mike from Muscle for Life and Legion Athletics and welcome to another episode of the podcast. This time I interview Bobby Samuel, who is a recent graduate of my 90 day transformation coaching service, which helped him lose 27 pounds and get abs for the first time in his life, as well as at about 130 pounds.

30 pounds to his big lifts and fix his form. And yes, all in just 90 days. Now, before he found his way to me and my work, Bobby had been working out for about 10 years and had tried [00:01:00] more or less everything out there, personal trainers, CrossFit running, bodybuilding, magazine workouts, you name it. And despite all the work, he was still overweight and unhappy with his body and really unsure what to do about it.

And then he found my cookbook, The Shredded Chef, and gave it a read, liked what he saw, and then liked the food, and actually saw some results, and realized that there might be something to this Mike Matthews guy. After all, maybe he’s not a scammer like everybody else. So Bobby then read Bigger, Leaner, Stronger next, and He, as you’ll hear in the interview, he was pretty sure it just wasn’t going to work because it sounded too simple.

But, hey, he decided to give it a go because he figured he had nothing to lose, why not? And then Bobby learned about my coaching service and figured that if he’s going to go in for an inch, he might as well go in for a mile. And just go all in, give it everything he’s got, give himself the best chances for [00:02:00] success.

And in the end, if it’s all bullshit, he’ll just get his money back and move on with his life. That’s all. And as you will hear about in this interview, my team put together a custom diet and exercise program specifically for him and his goals. And he had some obstacles that we had to overcome because he has two kids, he works a lot, he’s on the road a lot, and he likes to eat and he has a particular weakness for chocolate, don’t we all?

And despite all of that though, the results that he got from the program just exceeded all of his expectations. For Bobby not only completely transformed his body, but he also learned for the first time how to completely take control of his body composition and build the body of his dreams and how to make it a lifestyle, how to make it something that’s sustainable and enjoyable.

So in this interview, Bobby is going to walk us through the whole story and he’s going to share the big lessons that he has learned along the way, including how [00:03:00] he made everything work. Again, as a dad of two who works a lot on the road a lot. So if you are in the middle of your own transformation, or if you are thinking about getting started, then I think you’re going to find.

Bobby’s story encouraging and motivating. This is where I would normally plug a sponsor to pay the bills 

Bobby: but I’m not 

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Hey, Bobby. Thanks for coming on the show, man. I appreciate it. Hey, Mike. Glad to be here. Yeah, absolutely. For everybody listening, this is like a little monthly series that I’m doing where I’m reaching out to people that have either gone through my coaching service or just read a book of mine and put the principles into use and gotten good results with them.

And I want to do these one, of course, because it promotes my stuff. Let’s just be honest, but more importantly, I have many different ways to promote my things. I don’t have to do it this way. More importantly, I think there’s value in hearing different people’s individual journeys because circumstances are different.

And as we get into these discussions, Various people run into various different problems. And it’s always interesting to hear [00:06:00] how they overcame them. I can only account for so much in a couple hundred page book. And that’s where also coaching is great because then you can really dig into a person’s lifestyle goals and so forth.

So that’s why Bobby is here. And he actually has done everything. So he has gone through my book, bigger, stronger and put work in there. He has used the cookbook, the shredded chef it’s just a flexible dining cookbook. And it has a lot of macro friendly and tasty meals that are also meal prep friendly and also has gone through my 90 day transformation coaching service.

So he has gone through the the full Monty. Bobby, why don’t you, let’s start with, why don’t you just tell us let’s say since finding my work and I guess starting out with bigger, leaner, stronger, and then eventually finding a way to coaching, how has your body changed? What’s the long story short?

Bobby: The transformation has been tremendous. I cannot. Stress setting up the way that I look and feel is tremendous The one thing that most guys probably care about the most is I have [00:07:00] abs 40 years old I have abs you can see them all the time. They’re there. So if anything, that’s the selling point every workout they talk about big arms and strong back and having abs, but every model has abs Yep.

I have abs for the first time in my entire life. And you also have big arms too. Let’s let’s give you that as well. Yeah. I’ve got, everything has come along, but the transform of the thing that’s always been hardest for me to achieve has been having abs of any kind. I was never an athlete. Yeah.

I was never. High performing even in high school from a physical standpoint, just in average Joe mediocre. Yep, and to have abs at 40 Is phenomenal to be in this kind of physique and shape to actually have a v body shape and to look and feel confident in Whether it’s a suit or it’s t shirt 

Mike Matthews: and jeans It all feels good.

Okay. That’s great. How did you find your way to fitness? Cause okay. So it wasn’t something that you’re into when you were younger. What got you into it? So 

Bobby: I’ve been working out for a long time and [00:08:00] stories pretty similar to what you’ve shared before, or what I’ve seen from your site.

I was lifting weights. I had a trainer and I’d been doing that for probably about 10 years and I saw results. But then I hit a plateau and it never changed from there. So about five six years ago I hit plateaus and I that was it never got any stronger Never saw any real body shape change and I was eating terribly And so I was just started looking for cookbooks to find other things to eat other things to do and I ran across your cookbook So I started there.

I didn’t start with bigger leaner stronger I started with your cookbook just to see what it was and I got to tell You The food in there tastes phenomenal So i’ve used other cookbooks, but it tastes everything there tastes so good. It makes sense and it worked So the food tasted good. I was like who is this guy?

So I started looking up looking you up on the internet. I found your book on amazon bigger later stronger I was like, there’s no way this is just another gimmick. 

Mike Matthews: Yep. 

Bobby: No way this thing works 

Mike Matthews: Which is, given the state of the industry is probably that’s [00:09:00] the right mindset to have with just about everything.

Bobby: Oh yeah. So I’m just a skeptic in general because I was working out five days a week, heavy lifting, not heavy compound lifting. I was eating food, just the wrong sets of macros, the wrong calories. I was just fed up. I was even looking at. I was looking at stuff on the internet to try to find some quick solution, and I ran across your stuff, and I got Kindle, Bigger, Leaner, Stronger, and I have the print edition too after I got it, because I wanted to mark it up and read it and I read it, and I was like, alright, you know what, let’s do it.

I’ll give this a try. This guy’s saying there’s no shortcuts. This is the way to do it. Let’s do it. Weren’t promising like a big change in 30 days that I’d lose 30 pounds. It was just like, here’s the right way to do it. Here’s a way to build a foundation. So I started lifting and I thought, man, there’s a lot of questions that I have.

How do I really get into this? I got a lot of detailed questions. I’m an analytical type person and I saw you had a coaching program. I said, you know what? Let’s go all in. Let’s try this. It’s a [00:10:00] money back guarantee. And I have no shame. I will return this thing if it’s not going to work. So I signed up and that’s how the journey began.

I found your stuff purely because I was looking for a cookbook for good food. Your food worked and then I went from there. I found your book, then I found your coaching service and I signed up. Because I was a skeptic and if you were gonna, if I was gonna give it a fighting chance, I figured let’s try the whole program.

Let’s see if this thing works. And that’s how I started. 

Mike Matthews: That’s great. And so how did things go from there? So you’d put in 10 years working with trainers, I’m sure then you’ve done, you made all the mistakes that I myself made where you’re doing, silly types of workouts. And I totally know what you mean in terms of eating where I wasn’t in the past, it’s not that I was eating.

Terribly in an absolute sense, or even nutritional sense, it’s just, I didn’t know anything about energy balance or macronutrient balance or anything like that. And it’s also interesting just even that, because you had 10 years of experience where I don’t know about you, but for me, it was about seven years before I really decided to educate myself and.

I guess to my credit, at least I knew that I didn’t [00:11:00] know a lot. So it was about seven years and I didn’t know what to expect though, because, traditionally if you’ve been working out for seven years or 10 years, normally you’d think, that’s it. This is all you’ve got. You’ve put in so much time and so much effort.

How much more could really change? 

Bobby: Yeah, I was doing, not to like this belabor it, but I was doing CrossFit. I was running like, long distances. I was listening to the bro science in the gyms and looking at what other people are doing because I knew. Other people had these physiques and they were there at the gym, they were working out, but they were either drugged up or they were doing something right.

And I wanted to figure out there had to be a way to do this. It couldn’t be only reserved for the genetically favored, but I was even going to try body beast, anything. I was going to try anything. I could, of course, just random stuff just to see if I could do it. I wasn’t going to try any drugs, but I was so close to Just spending a ton of money on a bunch of other stuff.

Yeah. The 10 years of lifting and working out and that, that was hard work, man. It was arduous [00:12:00] on the knees, the joints, the back, just all sorts of issues and injuries had cropped up over time. I discovered yourself and I was like, all right. Man, it sounds so simple. There’s no way this thing works. And then I started doing it.

Mike Matthews: And so now take us from that point. So you start doing it and this is the coaching program now. How has that experience walk us through that? And also, along the way, I’m curious to hear what were some of the obstacles that you ran into and how did you guys overcome them? Because again, with the books, I try, I do my best to present a one size fits all program that I believe.

The vast majority of people are going to be able to follow and get good results with, but when you can really personalize everything, it becomes that’s why we offer that money back guarantee. Just because I know that if we can just get somebody to do what we tell them to do, we will get results every single time.

You know what I mean? 

Bobby: Yep. And so I can tell you the big driving forces. If you think about it from an analogy standpoint, you can go buy a suit off the rack, [00:13:00] like a dress shirt or something off the rack. Or you can have something custom made and custom measured for you and you’re going to look better in the thing that’s custom made and custom measured.

There’s a price to pay, but sometimes the value is worth and I was looking for quality and I have two kids. I travel quite a bit busy work life and everyone talks about work life balance. I was looking for something that fit me well and was also efficient. So I figured. Let’s do the coaching program because we can customize this one size fits all approach to something that was exactly and very specifically for me, a meal plan that was for me, a workout specific for me.

And I was used to having a trainer with me. Like all the time at least once a week in the gym having a trainer with me So it was not a huge stretch to do this. The big stretch was that it was a virtual relationship The trainer wasn’t actually there But I would shoot videos of myself and I felt weird or awkward at the first doing it [00:14:00] As I was lifting these weights, but I also knew that if I didn’t build a foundation of good form That we got to the heavier, the bigger weights that there just be problems that would happen later.

So I was sitting there filming myself as I did this and I wanted something efficient. We ran into some obstacles in that. I had a question in the moment in the gym and I needed to ask my trainer. So he was signed on Skype. And it’s harry’s who i was working i’ve been working with and i continue to work with i signed up for the extension services just because of the value i’ve never been through this type of thing before and i’ll talk about that a little bit later but i would just send him a message on skype and then he would respond.

So I was able to answer my questions and get things done. He wasn’t able to spot me or anything, but there were people in the gym that could help if I needed that. And that’s what we went through. We set a meal plan together and it was the best part. It was a meal plan of stuff that I want to I got a treat at the end of every night.

I have a weakness for chocolate. I could always eat chocolate and then eat some more [00:15:00] after that. 

Mike Matthews: Yeah, I like chocolate. Do you like dark chocolate or milk chocolate? 

Bobby: I do not discriminate. I will eat it all. Cake form, flourless form, bar form, you serve it to me, I will be happy to take it off your hands.

And what we did, we actually worked. Chocolate into the meal plan into the macros and into what I was eating and he put together a meal plan and I got a treat at the end of every night. And so that made it sustainable. It was something I things I wanted to eat and that was even during a cut face. As we were reducing reducing weight, it was during a cut phase, every night I got a treat.

And so it was easy to stick through my diet through the day. It wasn’t even a diet really, it’s just stick to the food I needed to eat through the day. And then by every night, I got my treat, so I was satisfied, I was happy, I went to bed excited for the next day. And to work out. What I felt like I got from the coaching program was something that fit me like a glove.

The trainer or Harry worked with me as a coach to figure out what’s going to fit me [00:16:00] and just ratchet it down to my personality, my style, my approach lifts that I was good at lifts that I wasn’t good at and just focused it on me. 

Mike Matthews: That’s great. And I’m curious because you mentioned that you travel quite a bit.

How’d you guys make that work? Because that’s something that I get asked about fairly frequently. Cause then I understand because it presents difficulties. 

Bobby: Yep. So the traveling part. It hurts both the macro plan and the lifting plan. So what we did is we focused my workouts to be on the weekend.

So I only, I do a, I started out with a three day a week lifting plan and you can do cardio anywhere, like any hotel you’ve got, you can do it. So that’s how we tackled it is Friday, Saturday, Sunday lifted. On the other days of the week, I did 30 minute cardio sessions throughout the rest of the week to get enough cardio in during the cut phase, and that’s how we tackled it.

The food was altogether different issue. That’s super tough on the road. If anyone could figure [00:17:00] out that, and I think I figured it out, but you’re sitting on a gold mine. If you can figure out how you can help consultants or people that travel for work stick to a meal plan. Harry and I went through items at the grocery store and we started talking about things that were easy to carry.

I basically, when I travel now, I pack my bag with food also. It’s not just like toiletries and clothes. I’ve got big bars and Peanut butter packs and a protein bar and some powder i’ve got a like might be obsessive compulsive but even in a ziplock bag that stuff and i get it right 

Mike Matthews: i’ve been in the same i know exactly what you’re talking about 

Bobby: yeah and it’s every week i mean it’s every week so i’ve gotten good at it even at tsa when i go through security now i know to take the protein powder out of my bag and i have clear so i can shoot through the line you But I know to take the protein powder out because it’s going to get stopped when I have a week’s worth with me by the end of the week, it’s good or midweek.

It’s fine. So it’s gotten to the point that I’ve gotten good at it. I’ll tell you that I had to have some resolve to figure [00:18:00] out determination to figure out Okay, i’m going to make this work because the results are going to be worth it That’s what I had to keep telling myself and keep looking at that making sure that I could deliver on that or that I Was seeing those results the other piece that helped was helpful with the coaching program Was that I had to check in with somebody so I had to like basically every day Record my weight and then I’d record the reps and sets and weights like that kind of stuff that I was doing when I was in the gym And there was someone there to check in and I wanted my coach to be like excited to work with me because he was seeing results.

I didn’t want it to be like, I’m one of those drags that, oh gosh, I got to do this job. I wanted to be fun to work with. I wanted to be somebody that like excelled. And so having to check in, I wanted every day to be a day that I won. And not every day was that, but over the time, over the history of the period, there were some significant wins.

I went from what I believe, just looking at pictures, I was, close to 25 to 30%, maybe more [00:19:00] body fat down to sub 10 or we’re at 8. 1 before Harry said, okay, let’s stop here and let’s bulk. And then we’ll come back down again. And I’ve never been through this cycle. It was transformational to have something that fit me like a glove.

I didn’t spend a lot of time trying to make the stuff out of the book work for me. I was able to work with someone that was an expert and tell me how to make this fit me by doing that. That’s what made it efficient. That’s why I think the results were so good. 

Mike Matthews: Absolutely. Yeah. And that’s awesome. And I have one other question related to the traveling.

So what about restaurants? Did you, because I guess it depends on your type of work, but again, a lot of people that reach out to me, they have to travel a lot, inevitably have to. Go to meetings and that’s usually over food. Is that the case with you or was that the case or no? 

Bobby: It is the case. So there’s this thing of there’s a lot of breakfast, lunch and dinner meetings.

I stopped eating breakfast and lunch, like in the traditional sense, I started carrying like food with me. And so I would eat those through the day. If I did have to have a lunch meeting, I was experienced enough to [00:20:00] figure out here’s something I can substitute. Or I would ask Harry and say, Hey, I’m going to this restaurant.

Mike Matthews: Yeah. What should I do? I’m 

Bobby: going here. What’s the thing that I could eat? I always knew that chicken, I could always gauge how much it weighed, what serving I was getting, and then some greens and things like that. And it was, okay, I’m just going to try to keep it simple and make it through. But for dinner, it depends on what phase I was in.

If I was trying to be, stay low fat, like at least a lower percentage of fat of for my macros and try to make things work. You can go to any restaurant, especially if you save your calories and Harry worked with me on this by saving the macros through the end of the day. I was able to eat, order a chicken, a steak and have baked potato and a side of vegetables.

And it’s amazing how satiated you feel and you can still stay within your, your numbers. But I had to work to that. I didn’t know it day one. I was super paranoid day one, not wanting to screw up. And Harry just said, listen, just relax. It doesn’t have to be perfect. Everybody’s different.

Let’s see if we can figure this out [00:21:00] together. And that was really helpful to have someone there. with me as I figured this out. 

Mike Matthews: Yeah, that’s great. And that is a great little tip for anybody listening is and something I myself do if I’m I don’t travel much. And if I do travel, I really don’t travel for work at all.

So it just be for pleasure. I’m not a huge foodie, but it means that I’m going to be eating in some restaurants and I’ll do the same thing where I’ll usually skip breakfast or I’ll have I’ll bring some protein powder and just have a shake. And I’m essentially saving food. Most of my calories for what is normally dinner, so I’ll come to dinner with most of my protein done for the day and a lot of carbs and fats that, I can eat just to get to maintenance and I don’t mind, if I’m gone for a few days, whatever, if I’m in a slight or even moderate surplus for a few days, I don’t mind it because you can, as even if you do overdo it for a few days it doesn’t even necessarily take a few days to undo it.

It might only take a day or two because depending on your activity level and depending on what I’d say more, more [00:22:00] just the macro nutrient composition of your meals. It’s not like every surplus calorie turns into fat. There is a bit of a nutrient partitioning effect. And especially again, if you are moderating your dietary fats now if you’re just pounding fried food and drinking alcohol a day.

Yeah, you’re going to gain that quickly, but if it’s more on the carby end and you’re including some protein and there’s something to be said for, and this is again, I’m just rambling, but little tips for people out there when you are traveling, don’t discount the amount of calories you can burn just walking.

Like when I’m, Going anywhere. I make it a point just to walk around and, not take taxis if I don’t have to, because you burn 300 to 350 calories per hour walking. That’s pretty significant. If you’re going to be walking several hours a day and saving your calories. 

Bobby: Yeah, absolutely.

And I agree with you, Mike, on that. I would look for ways to be active as well throughout the travel week. I try to not spend a lot of time sitting, make sure I was moving around, walking to different rooms to have meetings. [00:23:00] Yeah. Like you said, I take the train or walk to the train station instead of using a, like an Uber or taxi or Lyft to go get to different places.

That’s definitely helpful, but other thing for people, I don’t know if this will be helpful for anyone else, but it was super helpful for me. I have incredible resolve. In the morning and afternoon, like for food, I can go like a little bit hungry because I get busy. I’ve got things to do, but man, by evening time, all of that stuff fades away.

So Mike, I did something quite similar to you where I eat light through the day. Through the morning and then by evening, I’m able to like basically load up on my food, my, my carbs, my, my proteins and different things like that. And I’ve saved my fat a lot of it for the end of the day during the cut phase.

Now, during the bulk phase, I’m eating fat pretty much all day. It feels great. Yeah. But the, that’s what worked for me. And I know everybody’s different, but when it gets dark, I’m, that’s when I’m my weakest. And so we tailored my meal plan and Harry worked with me on this too. [00:24:00] We tailored my meal plan to fit.

Me, my personality. 

Mike Matthews: Yeah. And that’s, I actually tend to personally, I like eating that way even now where just because the larger any meal is generally the more lethargic you’re going to feel after. And that’s just a hormonal response to eating a lot of food. So like you, I’m very busy throughout the day and I prefer just smaller meals just because I like to be as.

Alert and, not tired as possible if I’m slowing down already at night, then I prefer to eat more food during that period anyway. 

Bobby: Oh, yeah, it’s like a reward. And I’ve got to say after doing this program and learning what I’ve learned, at least from my perspective, it’s 98 percent food. If someone can just help you get your food, right?

That’s such a big deal. It’s 1 percent of it is the weights and I apologize if that’s not helpful at all. But 1 percent of that, at least for me is weights and the other 1 percent is cardio. But if you get your food right, Almost everything else can fall into place. 

Mike Matthews: [00:25:00] Yes. Yeah, it’s just that point of no matter what you do in the gym.

If you don’t get your food right, you’re not going to see the results that you want. Of course, it’s still great for your body. It’s great for your health. But you’re not going to, you’re not going to get the abs, there’s just no way without getting your food. And then, of course, with that comes, that’s where a lot of the frustration comes.

And, there’s also something to be said for someone in your position in an intermediate weightlifter who has a lot of experience diet becomes especially important for gaining muscle and strength as well. It’s not just about losing fat. And that’s a mistake that a lot of people make is when they start out.

Let’s say for the first 6, 8, maybe even 12 months, it’s very easy to make progress, just eating very loosely, maybe just following some guidelines like yeah, I eat some protein with every meal and who knows what my numbers really are. You can get away with that in the beginning, but once the honeymoon phase is over, many people don’t realize how important it is [00:26:00] to be consistent and accurate with your diet.

Even if you’re not trying to lose fat, it’s just to continue making progress in the gym. I don’t know how long you’ve been bulking for, but you’ll see that sounds like it’s already kicked in because you’re feeling good. I’m sure your workouts are good and you get that momentum that comes with being in a slight surplus most of the time.

And it’s very different though, if your calories alone were inconsistent and were too low. So if let’s say you were three or four days out of the week, you were in a deficit, even if it’s a slight deficit, just cause you’re not really tracking and you’re trying not to overeat. And then a few days a week, you’d be in a surplus.

That’s a very different experience in the gym. Then what you’re doing right now. So in a sense, like your diet is very crucial in fueling progress in the gym. Because what will happen is if you don’t get your diet right, if you were to do what I just described, you would be stuck in the gym. You wouldn’t really be gaining reps.

You wouldn’t be. Adding weight to the bar and accordingly your body weight would just remain [00:27:00] stuck. So it’s good that you’re having that experience now because many people don’t realize it or don’t want to do it because they’re afraid of putting on some body fat because they don’t realize how easy it is to just get rid of it when you’re ready.

Bobby: Yep, and I’ve got to say that this is not a race for me the way I looked at it I wasn’t racing anybody to get there Wasn’t competing with anybody to get to the target that I was looking for. I was doing this for life This is not like a quick fix. Yeah. Yeah, it’s not a fad for me. This is life.

I want to live my life in a way that’s healthy, in a way that shows results of what, we all work for. We all work hard in the gym and I wanted those results to be evident. So because it wasn’t a race, it was okay for me to be lifting super lightweights when we started. And I know I say super lightweights, but for big people in the gym, lifting heavy amounts of weight.

And I would be the guy there next to them when I first started, making sure my form was airtight. And I was, that was Harry doing videos. We corrected [00:28:00] some pretty major things on deadlift, on squats, on incline bench, on flat bench, just positioning and shoulder safety and that lower back safety, just trying to make sure that we did things the right way so that as we got to the bigger ones, you don’t have to keep dropping weight or you don’t have to get to a point, hurt yourself.

We even got to a certain point on deadlift where we got to a point and Harry didn’t like what he was seeing, so we tweaked something and dropped the weight so we could get it right. 

Mike Matthews: We’ve all been, I’ve been there anybody that has been honest with themselves throughout their weightlifting career has gotten there.

We’ve all gotten a little bit overzealous or sometimes we just don’t, we’re not aware of it until we see it on video. Yeah I’ve done the same thing on deadlift and squat and overhead press. 

Bobby: Yeah. Today at deadlift, I was at three 20. 

Mike Matthews: Wow. Great. So 

Bobby: to me that’s such an accomplishment.

I didn’t, man, I never thought I’d lift more than like a couple hundred pounds for that. So it’s, to me, it’s transformational and the strength is astounding. 

Mike Matthews: Yeah. That’s great. And what’s your plan from here? What are your [00:29:00] goals? Have you given some thought, like over the next year, what you want to do?

Or 

Bobby: I want to help others. Like in all honesty, this is not my line of work. I want to help others because people are out there buying just crap. And wasting their time on these quick fix type things so my goal is to help others so if that’s my long term goal to help others instead of inventing something new i can point them towards this cuz it works for me.

And journal work for other people but they gotta give it a shot a fair shot so what i’m trying to do is i’m trying to go through all the phases i wanna go. I’ve been to the bottom of a cut now and I got to maintenance and now I’m in a bulk. I wanna do another cut with my coach to really understand and learn some of the nuances of how things are supposed to work and how they feel.

At the end of the day. I just want to experience what that is and what that feels like, and then I want to help people get there. And one of the easiest ways to help people is I’ve actually have results and say, Hey, listen. You could have this. Here’s how it works. And I’ve noticed in the gym, people start asking [00:30:00] lots of questions because they’ve seen the weight change.

They’ve seen that you see the people that are there every week. And I was that guy every week, they’re lifting the same thing. And that’s, you never see a change. Every week they’re on the cardio on like the elliptical or the treadmill no changes at this point I get lots of questions of people asking for advice and It’s dangerous to be one of the bro science folks and give advice to folks So I just point them back to bigger leaner stronger.

They say start there. Take a look at this. This is what works for me I’ll show you what I’m doing. And that’s what my coach has done the same thing He’s not really like taught me So that I depend on him. It’s been more of here’s how you, he’s been teaching me how to fish rather than catching fish for me, if that makes sense.

Yes. 

Mike Matthews: And that was one of my personal, that’s what I wanted the service to be just because one of the things I didn’t like, I like you, I had gone through I had been working with trainers at one point, probably for about a year straight, tried different trainers. And that’s one thing I didn’t like.

And it was pretty obvious that they wanted me to think that they [00:31:00] have some kind of inside line or secret understanding of how things really work. And it was my job. That’s what I was paying for. I was paying for them to just tell me what to do, but not why. And I didn’t like that. 

Bobby: Yep, exactly.

Exactly. And I don’t think they’re ill intentioned. Trying to do the best. I understand there’s 

Mike Matthews: an economic, there’s an economic factor in play. They need to keep their clients. I understand that it’s just when I just want to do it differently with this coaching service. And I, cause I was thinking that I have enough people in my orbit, there’s going to be never going to be any shortage of clients, so we don’t have to try to hang on to everyone.

And 90 days is enough time to teach everybody really the 20 percent that’s going to give them 80%, if they want to then go off and. Program themselves and do everything themselves, then they’re equipped to do that or like you, if they like working with their coach and they also just like having everything done for them, which I understand, especially when your time is limited.

It’s just nice to say, yeah, even if you could do it [00:32:00] yourself, there’s an opportunity cost because it takes time. And then there’s obviously some additional benefits that you get from working with a good coach that you just don’t get by yourself. 

Bobby: Absolutely agree. And there’s the concept of the way that I feel like.

Your coaching system and your system has treated me It’s the I know use another analogy for those that are familiar with a vegetable garden You go in and you just like you rip the things out at harvest time That vegetable is not going to give you anything else. Once you pull it out of the ground.

You’re going to eat it and it’s done But you treated at least your coaching system treated me more like a fruit tree, like an orchard where you’ve taught me you’ve tended to it, not to get too like philosophical here, but in a fruit tree fruit garden, you continue that tree continues to bear fruit.

It’s not like you’re going and just like destroying a vegetable garden by pulling stuff out. You tend the customers you take care of them and i use it in my work as well you take care of the customers you do what’s right for them and i know you gotta make money doing it but you do what’s right for them and you tell them the truth [00:33:00] and that will bear fruit over the long run and that’s what i feel like you’re trying to do and that’s why I support this. That’s why I even came on this podcast because it’s been that kind of treatment the whole way through. 

Mike Matthews: I like the analogy. I like all the analogies. This is good. I’m going to, I’m going to, I’m going to take a note of that one actually, that’d be good for copywriting. But no, you’re absolutely right.

And that’s been the approach, not just with muscle for life in the books, but also over at Legion, we really try to do the same thing is just take as good a care as we can of our customers as possible and just know that even if that means losing out on money that we could have now.

There’s the, just the emotional and the spiritual satisfaction of knowing that, we’re doing the right thing and treating people the way that we want to be treated. But then there’s also the economic payoff in that people appreciate that. And they just, even if it’s just being honest in terms of, yeah, you don’t need the, you don’t need that supplement.

There’s really no reason to buy it because of how piss poor the ethical standards are generally in the supplement space, even little things like that. Make a difference and people go, Oh, wow. And that [00:34:00] makes them much more likely to come back when maybe they do need something. So it just makes sense all around.

Bobby: Yeah, absolutely agree. 

Mike Matthews: All right. Is there anything else that you want to share or you think everybody should know? 

Bobby: The one thing that I will share, if you take away nothing from this and you just take this one thing away, it’s that you just got to do it. Just jump in both feet. Don’t stick one toe in.

Just dive in because their results are plenty that you can go out and look at the folks on Legion and see what’s happening and see the effects and just have a resolve to do it. Just give it a chance. Give it 90 days and don’t expect that you’ll look like a fitness model in 90 days, especially if you’re a newbie.

Don’t expect you’ll grow, 30 pounds of muscle and, be stacked when this is done, set some realistic goals, but just dive in. Do it because it’s incredible to see the results and see that happen. It’s so worth it. It’s worth it. So thank you Mike for doing this. This is, it’s been meaningful to me and it’s changed my life.

Mike Matthews: Absolutely. And I’m it’s nice for me to hear those things [00:35:00] because sometimes you get mired in the day to day, all the different random things that need to be done. And these are nice reminders. It’s Yeah. This is why we’re doing all this. This right here. This is why.

Bobby: Awesome. It was great talking to you today. 

Mike Matthews: Yeah. You too. Thanks again for coming on. Really appreciate it. And for everybody listening, if you want to learn more about the coaching service, you can just go to muscle for life. com slash coaching and you will see a sales page I put together that explains how it works.

And you can see some success stories and you can schedule a free consultation call to speak with my director of coaching. His name is Matt. It’s not a high pressure sales call. It’s really actually just a call to see where you’re at, where you want to be and if the service is a good fit for you.

So if you’re interested, head on over and check it out. 

Bobby: Mike, one more thing. If anybody wants to chat with me about it, I’d be happy to just give them a non employee recommendation. I can even talk them through some of the difficulties. So happy to be a reference. If somebody just wants to ask, like, how do you go about it?

Or what do you do? What are some helpful things to [00:36:00] talk to your coach about? I’d be happy to talk to people about it. 

Mike Matthews: Absolutely. Do you want to give people a way to contact you? 

Bobby: Yeah. Why don’t you just, you can contact me over Skype. Let’s just do that. It’s Bobby underscore Samuel. So B O B Y underscore S A M U E L on Skype.

Happy to chat with you. 

Mike Matthews: Perfect. Thank you. Hey there, it is Mike again. I hope you enjoyed this episode and found it interesting and helpful. And if you did, and don’t mind doing me a favor and want to help me make this the most popular health and fitness podcast on the internet, then please leave a quick review of it on iTunes or wherever you’re listening from.

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