Ep. #674: The Best of Muscle for Life: Deep Nutrition, Sleep & Muscle Building, Monthly Fat Loss Targets, and More

Hello and welcome to the latest and greatest episode of Muscle for Life. I’m Mike Matthews and thank you for joining me today. Now, I have recorded hundreds of episodes of Muscle for Life and I’ve. Talked about a huge variety of things related to health, fitness, lifestyle mindsets, ranging from the basics of diet and exercise, like energy and macronutrient, balance and progressive overload, and training frequency and volume to fads like the ketogenic and carnivore diet and collagen protein to more unfamiliar territories like body weight, set point, and fast.

Cardio and some episodes resonate with my crowd more than others, but all of them contain at least a few key takeaways that just about anyone can benefit from. At least that’s what I tell myself. That’s what helps me sit down in the chair every day and do this, and as cool as that is. It poses a problem for you, my dear listener, especially if you are new here, and that is, ain’t nobody got time for that.

We’re talking about probably a thousand plus hours of content at this point. And while some people actually do make the time to listen to most or even. All of my podcasts, my Whizbang analytics tell me that while many listeners tune in on a regular basis, they don’t catch every installment of Muscle for Life.

Thus, they miss out on insights that could help them get even just a little bit better inside and outside the gym. Because if you just get a little bit better, consistently enough, that can add up to big results in the long. And people have also been telling me that they would like me to do more shorter multi topic episodes like my q and A’s and says You episodes.

And so I got an idea. How about a best of series of podcasts that contains a few of the most practical and compelling ideas, tips, and moments from. My most popular episodes going all the way back to the beginning. This way, people who are new in particular can quickly determine if this is the droid they’re looking for, if this podcast is for them or not, and then those who are regulars and enjoy what I’m doing, but just don’t have the time or inclination to listen to.

All of my stuff, and I do understand that I don’t take it personally. , you can also then benefit from the discussions and the episodes that you are not listening to in full. And you can also find new episodes to listen to without having to give an hour of your time to determine whether it was worth it or not.

So here we are with the best of muscle for. So in this installment of the best of Muscle Life, you’re gonna be hearing handpicked morsels from three episodes. The first was an interview I did with Dr. Kate Shanahan on the Power of Deep Nutrition, which is also the title of one of her books. And then the second episode that you’re gonna hear highlights from was a monthly Q and a where I talked about fat loss targets, sleep and muscle building, and adjusting meal plans for fat loss.

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Kate Shanahan on the power of what she calls Deep Nutrition. Now this was originally published on July 19th, 2017, so if you like what you are about to hear, you can go back and find the whole interview and enjoy the entire thing. How much do you think, I mean, looking at the, uh, just, I mean, pick a disease and it’s basically skyrocketing, especially the ones that we care most about.

Um, how much of that do you think is due strictly to dietary, um, conditions versus lifestyle conditions versus, like, not exercising and stress and Yeah. Where people Yeah, exactly. People in general are less active than they were, you know, we know that caloric expenditure on the hole is going down as we kind of move from the agrarian, uh, or industrial type of economy to.

Informational informational knowledge economy. And, uh, and so, so you have sedentary living and then also, like you said, stress and physical and, and of course a mental, mental and emotional. Out of curiosity, what are your thoughts in terms of like, what are the, how, how, how much do those factors contribute versus diet?

And then on the flip side, how much do, and this is something again, the reason why I’m bringing this up is cause I just know this kicks around in the fitness space as a, as a hypothetical, and then so as a, as another hypothetical. . Um, how much does exercising regularly and especially, you know, emphasizing resistance training, which has a lot of health benefits that you can’t necessarily get from just cardiovascular and vice versa.

Um, how much can you offset the, uh, negative influences of poor dieting and with exercise and, and otherwise living fairly? The fundamental, uh, key piece is the nutrition. Mm. Because you, you cannot out exercise a bad diet. Um, how so? You can’t out out, you can’t out train a bad diet, right? Is if you are getting foods that are fundamentally unhealthy, your body’s not gonna process them normally, and you’re not gonna be able to, um, your, your metabolism will.

Dysfunctional. So you’re not gonna be able to get the maximum benefit out of your, I mean, at the very best, you’re not gonna get the maximum benefit out of your exercise program. And at the very worst, you’re not gonna be able to exercise for very long. Cause you’re gonna get sick, you’re gonna get some, if you don’t get overweight, you’re gonna get some autoimmune disorder.

Um, and you know, if you do get overweight, you’re on the way to diabetes. So, um, those are kind of like the two , the two branch. Uh, of types of diseases that I, I feel like people develop as complications of weight and, and autoimmune diseases. Mm-hmm. When you are burning sugar for, um, aerobic exercise, right.

So you, you have to burn sugar for anaerobic by definition. Right. But, um, if you’re burning it for aerobic exercise, there’s a cost and the cost is acid in the. . Um, and uh, that comes because metabolically, when you’re converting sugar into something that the mitochondria can burn, can burn you. 30% more carbon dioxide than, than, um, the respiration of the sugar produces 30% more carbon dioxide than the respiration of a fatty acid.

Right. And that carbon dioxide is not just something we breathe off. It has a cost even before we breathe it off. Hmm. But meanwhile, Hey, we do have to breathe it off. That means we have to pant more. Hmm, right? And so that means you feel worse. You don’t feel so good when your blood level of carbon dioxide is high.

And it affects your body’s ability to regulate things like pressure and blood flow. So your blood flow is not optimal. You can’t regulate it as quickly or as. And, um, the cost and the muscle is that you have to turn on these enzymes that try to fight the acid and, you know, eventually they, they can’t do that.

And you do get acid building up in, in your muscle. Um, eventually. So part of training is not just. , um, building more muscle, it’s actually building more of these enzymes. If you’re not a fat burning athlete, it’s building more of these enzymes that help you deal with this overload, this air pollution of carbon dioxide in your cells.

Right. Um, so, and that obviously, like you said, that’s more, I mean, with aerobics, that’d be what, more applicable to endurance type stuff versus, I mean, uh, if you’re talking about strength training, especially. Proper pure strength training is, it’s, it’s a very, uh, anaerobic, obviously just glycogen, you know, it’s you, uh, there’s, there’s, there’s not much in the way of lactic acid buildup in the, in the sense of like a cyclist.

You know what I mean? , uh, right. Um, well, yes, it’s a different type of exercise. Absolutely. Um, however, um, you know, we’ve, all the studies that we’ve done are on people who don’t burn fat very efficiently. Mm-hmm. . And so even in the cardio world, we’re finding out that, um, you know, the cardio athletes, if you give them a high carb diet, Still not burning fat as efficiently as if you give them a high fat diet.

So there’s, there’s a lot of a adaptation Sure. That can take And that, that would be expected, right? Because Yeah. Yeah. And you know, I mean, uh, if you’re doing weights, you’re not just always using those type two fibers. There’s. The other fibers you’re, you’re using as well for everything else in the, that you do during the workout.

Sure. So there’s that, that inability to access the stored body fat, which is, um, gonna make you hungry, it’s gonna make you tired, it’s gonna make you fatigue, it’s gonna, um, cloud your concentration. Hmm. And after years of doing that, um, you can get away with it for a little while metabolically in terms of developing, um, more hormone imbalances.

But eventually you start to. Issues in the blood and I eventually, I I don’t mean very eventually, I mean, it depends on your genetics. Some, some athletes, if they’re really abusing their body, they can get away with it for 10 years. Hmm. So inter like, and what would you consider, what qualifies as abusing.

What, what, what, when you say, like, if you’re having, you know, uh, um, a lot of your calories from junk foods mm-hmm. , um, you know, sugar and, um, carby, just oil rich foods. Highly processed stuff. Processed foods, yeah. So it’s the, the two things that divine processed food are sugars and vegetable oils. So if you’re getting a lot of your calories from those things, um, then you are hurting your body.

Right? And, um, you know, the average American gets somewhere around 80% of their calories from those two things. In deep nutrition. We talk a lot about, um, epigenetics, the science of epigenetics, which is the ex, the new and improved field of genetics. Basically, it talks about the relationship of do you want to, just quickly, for people that don’t know what Epigenics, they just give a quick what.

Yeah, the best definition is it’s everything that makes your genes come to life, right? So your DNA n a is made out of genes. That’s only about 1% of your dna, n a. The rest of it is regulatory segments, um, and stuff that’s accumulated over the, the billions of years, um, that, that control how those genes function and what your genes and all those regulatory segments function.

Uh, Based on your diet, and of course every lifestyle factor you can name too, like whether you smoke or not, how much you sleep and exercise and all this. Right? The, the fact is that, uh, over the, uh, generations, our genes have built up these expectations in terms of all of that stuff. And if they don’t get something that they expect, that’s when we get sick or we don’t feel so good, or, you know, we, uh, ultimately can even lead to a genetic mutation in the next generation.

So there’s a lot of intelligence built into these billions and billions of letter code. Um, , um, information that is, is our dna. Hmm. And when, um, so the reason it’s important to understand how complicated that. and it, uh, uh, I guess I haven’t said that. It’s complicated. It’s really complicated. , if you string together the DNA n a in all your cells from end to end, it would reach to the moon and back multiple times.

So there’s a lot of information in there and it, it is a information repository, system dna, n a, it’s a survival mechanism. It is the ultimate survival mechanism. Nothing beats it because it’s been around. If you’ve been, if you’re here, that means it goes all the way back to the beginning of life on earth.

Yeah. Which, , I think is 3.5 billion years of trial and error and perfecting the performance of life. And so that’s why fertility is actually the best, uh, way to define or to identify a healthy diet. Right. So a lot of these books and people that talk about, um, and you say that’s for many and women? Yeah.

Okay. Um, a a a lot of the books that talk about. Uh, pro vegan actually are, uh, and vegetarian are from the Seventh Day Adventist community, where they do have a lot of longevity. But these are people who also do a lot of gardening. Um, they were like the macrobiotic folks in the seventies. They did fermenting and sprouting.

Hmm. Um, and they, they do eat meat. They just, um, you know, Control it. And they tend to get healthier meat and they have a lot of control. They’re, uh, they don’t eat a lot of junk food as a group. Um, so, and they, and they do live a long time. That’s wonderful. But is there fertility any better than anyone else’s?

No. The fertility aspect is what D N A really cares about.

Okay. Well, that’s it for the highlights from the interview I did with Dr. Kate Shanahan on the Power of Deep Nutrition. Again, this was published back in July of 2017. In case you want to go find it and listen to the whole thing, let’s move on now to the snippets from a Q and A that I did back in March of 2019.

March 8th, on monthly fat loss targets, sleep and muscle building, adjusting meal plans for fat loss. How much fat can you lose in the first 30 days of a cut if you are doing everything right? Uh, i e eating in a moderately aggressive calorie deficit training faster with Yomi twice a day, taking Phoenix, et cetera.

Good question, and this one depends on where you are at more than anything else. . So to keep it simple, if you have a lot of fat to lose, so if you are a guy, let’s say over 20% body fat or a girl over 30% body fat, I would say two to three pounds of fat loss per week for the first little bit. Maybe the first couple weeks is achievable for most people, and then it slows down from.

And it’s probably possible to lose a bit more than that, uh, per week, at least for the first little bit, the first few weeks if you are very, very overweight, obese, and are maintaining a very large calorie deficit. But I would have to actually look in the literature to find some good examples of that. I feel very comfortable saying that for the average person who’s quite overweight, who has a lot of fat to lose two to three pounds of fat loss per week, at least for the first several weeks.

Is achievable. Now, if you are starting out a bit leaner, if you’re a guy at 15%, let’s say, or you’re a girl at 25%, you just gotta bring that down a bit. Somewhere between. One and two, I would say skewed more toward two pounds of fat loss per week. Per week at least for the first little bit is reasonable.

That’s a, that’s a reasonable target to shoot for. And if you are starting out lean, wanting to get very lean. So if you’re a guy at let’s say 10% or a girl at 20% and now you’re going for the, the shredded look than something closer to about one pound of fat loss per week is going to be more realistic and it is going to go down from.

Now, remember I’m talking about fat loss here, not weight loss. You can lose more weight in the beginning, especially when you first start cutting, because for most people this means eating a lot less carbohydrate, which results in the body. Flushing out water, flushing out glycogen, so you can see some pretty rapid weight loss in the beginning.

You might be able to lose, let’s say you’re a, you’re a guy at 10%. You might lose two or three pounds in your first week of cutting, but you didn’t lose two or three pounds of. Okay, the next question, do I have to keep adjusting my meal plan when I’m losing my body fat? Or do I keep it the same until I reach my goal?

That’s a good question. And the answer is really simple. Uh, don’t fix it if it ain’t broken. Right? So when you start your cut, you have estimated your total daily energy expenditure, at least your average. T d e e, and you have worked out a calorie deficit that’s probably somewhere around 20 or 25%. You’ve worked out your macros.

You get going, things are rolling along nicely. You are weighing yourself every day, taking an average every seven to 10 days. You are also measuring your waist. At least, um, a few times a week to keep an eye on that as well. And the weight, the average body weight and the waist measurements are going down.

Okay, great. Don’t change anything until you get stuck. If your average body weight and your waist measurement has not changed in a couple weeks, you are now stuck. And there are a number of different reasons why this can occur. But at bottom, what is going on here is you are no longer in a large enough calorie deficit to continue losing.

And so there are a number of things you need to look into, and there are a number of strategies you can use to get the needle moving again. And I don’t want this video to turn into a marathon, so I’m gonna defer to an article I wrote. So if you wanna learn more about that, just Google muscle for life, not losing weight, and you’ll find a a long, thorough article that I wrote on what to do when you Are No longer Losing.

And I also would just like to add that it is perfectly normal to get stuck when you are cutting for any period of time. If you’re just doing like a mini cut. So let’s say you’ve been lean bulking for a while and it’s been three or four months, and you just wanna drop a little bit of body fat, so you figure you’ll go into a deficit for.

Three, four weeks and get back to your lean bulk. You probably won’t have to adjust anything, but if you are gonna be cutting for an extended period of time, 8, 10, 12 plus weeks, eventually you are going to have to reduce the amount of food that you eat. It is. Almost inevitable for, for, for most people, how much sleep is sufficient to build muscle?

Four hours, six hours, eight hours, or 10 hours? Well, the simple answer here is getting enough sleep is hugely important for muscle growth and strength gain, and particularly for intermediate and advanced weightlifters whose bodies are not hyper responsive to resistance training anymore. And who can’t?

Just use newbie gains to overpower dietary mistakes, sleep mistakes, and so forth. And there are several reasons for that. One is a very obvious reason, acute performance. So if you sleep, let’s say 4, 5, 6 hours, and you’re kind of dragging ass in the morning and you get into the gym and you’re gonna do some heavy squats, you are going to get less work done.

In that workout than is it, than if you had slept what you needed to sleep, which for most people’s seven to nine hours, seven to eight hours is kind of the generally recommended amount of sleep for most people. And so of course less effective workouts make for less muscle and strength gain over time.

So that’s a very obvious way that sleep is gonna impact your ability to build muscle and gain strength. Another uh, factor is hormones. So the more sleep deprived you are in general, the more catabolic your hormone profile’s gonna. And this can actually get so bad that it can lead to muscle loss that has been shown in scientific research.

If you deprive yourself of enough sleep, I believe it was, I reviewed the study semi-recently, so the details are a little bit fuzzy, but I believe it was three to four hours of sleep for no more than a week. It was like five to seven days actually started to cause muscle. So that is completely counterproductive, of course.

And the reason why muscle loss occurred was not limited to just what happened hormonally, which mostly just came down to lower levels of anabolic hormones like testosterone and growth hormone and higher levels of catabolic hormones like cortisol. Another reason though, why these guys lost muscle was related to cellular signaling and other aspects of the body’s muscle building machinery, so to speak, so that machinery just does not work well when the body is sleep deprived.

And so what happens then is your body’s ability to synthesize new muscle proteins just gets outpaced by the amount of muscle protein breakdown that is occurring. Now, I know that the sleep deprivation was rather extreme. In this case. I, again, I believe it was like three to four hours of sleep per night, several nights in a row, and most of us would not try to get into the gym after several nights or three to four hours of.

I could see one night. I probably, I’ve done that before, that’s for sure. But 2, 3, 4, 5 nights, no way. I’m, I’m just skipp. But that doesn’t mean that the same types of negative effects in the body are simply not occurring at less severe levels of sleep deprivation or sleep restriction. So let’s say you need eight hours of sleep to feel good, to have your body firing on all cylinders, to have a lot of energy in your workouts, to feel like you’re recovering for your, from your workouts and so forth.

And you are getting, on average six hours of sleep. Now that is gonna be enough for you to get through your days, especially with caffeine, and to get through your workouts and maybe even make up some of that sleep on the weekends, which research shows you can accomplish. You can make up lost sleep to some degree, and of course then you’re gonna feel even better on the weekends.

But that situation is going to result in impaired muscle and strength gain. It is probably not gonna be extreme enough to cause muscle loss and cause the body. Go to pieces, but you are going to gain muscle and strength slower. So my best advice is to really prioritize getting enough sleep.

All right. That’s it for the highlight reel of that q and a. Again, that was published back on March 8th, 2019. In case you want to go listen to the whole thing. And that brings us to the final episode featured on this episode of The Best Of, and that is The Motivation Monday episode called What’s More Important Than Necessity?

And this was originally published on September 24th, 20. Teen in case you want to go listen to it in its entirety. If you like what I’m doing here on the podcast and elsewhere, definitely check out my sports nutrition company Legion, which thanks to the support of many people like you, is the leading brand of all natural sports supplements in the world.

First we have a quote, and this one comes from Bob Marley. He said, you never know how strong you are until being strong is your only choice, and that’s a perfect introduction to what I want to talk to you today about, which is necessity. So imagine that at nine years old, you are receiving music lessons from an accomplished composer who quickly.

Heralds you as the next Mozart. Imagine that just three years later you release your first composition and then the following year you’re appointed as the assistant court organist alongside your mentor and teacher. Imagine that over the next decade and a half. You eventually meet and perform for Mozart, who then tells a friend that you’re going to make a great name for yourself one day, and you continue to hone your skills, amaze your teachers, and establish yourself as a once in a generation.

Talent, but then at just 26 years old, you notice a strange buzzing and ringing in your ears. It’s there the next day too. And the next one, you continue to write, practice, and perform your music, but day by day, Week by week, month by month, the static hum in your head begins to drown out the world around you.

And it’s not long before you realize that you are going deaf. And after trying all kinds of remedies, doctors tell you that the condition is likely to afflict you for the rest of your. You are overwhelmed by sadness for your entire life. Music is all you’ve known. It’s all you’ve done. It’s who you are.

And now in a cruel and ironic twist of fate, you are being robbed of your ability to even appreciate it, let alone. What would you do? Do you think that you could somehow find the will to soldier on as you slide into a realm of utter silence? Or do you think you would curse your unlucky stars and vow to never touch an instrument again?

Well, Ludwig van Beethoven once faced this predicament and if he hadn’t refused to give up, we would never have masterpieces like his ninth symphony, his late string quartets or his diabe variations. Now, how the hell did he write and play music if he couldn’t hear? You might be wonder. Well, he imagined in his mind what his work would sound like, and then he went on to produce what are considered some of the most beautiful compositions and arrangements in the history of music.

Such is the power of necessity, which another genius, Leonardo Da Vinci once said, is the theme and adventurous of nature, her curb and her eternal law. What is necessity though? Miriam Webster defines it as the quality or state of being necessary, but that doesn’t really capture its essence to get a better sense of what necessity really is, what it feels like and how it manifests.

Let’s start with the definition from the original 1828 Webster’s Dictionary, which is. Irresistible power, compulsive force, physical or moral. The word comes from the old French term necessity, which meant need necessity, privation, poverty, distress, torment, obligation, duty, and can be traced back to the Latin necessitate, meaning compulsion.

Need for attention, unavoidable. Destiny. So as you can see, necessity goes beyond mere desire or even passion, which many people find admirable and enters the territory of obsession, relentlessness, and inevitability, which many people regard as a form of mad. When you approach something with necessity, you do it with an extreme level of intensity and focus.

As Oscar Wild once said, moderation is a fatal thing. Nothing succeeds like excess. There’s no question that Beethoven was animated by necessity, as Anton Shindler wrote in his biography, the Life of Beethoven, quote, Beethoven Rose at daybreak no matter what season, and went at once to his work table there.

He worked until two or three o’clock when he took his midday. In the interim, he usually ran out into the open two or three times where he also worked while walking. Such excursions seldom exceeded a full hour’s time and resembled the swarming out of the bee to gather honey. They never varied with the seasons, and neither cold nor heat were noticed.

Beethoven always spent his winter evenings at home and devoted them to serious reading. It was, but seldom that one saw him busy with music paper in the evening since writing music was too taxing on his eyes. In former years, this may have been the case. Yet, it is quite certain that at no time did he employ the evening hours for composition creation at 10 o’clock at the latest, he retired to bed.

In other words, for decades, Beethoven spent nearly every minute of every day either thinking about or working on his music or developing and expanding his intellectual horizons, which inevitably informed his ability as a. that my friends is necessity, and you find it in great achievers of all types and in all disciplines, regardless of who they are, how they like to live and work, and what they’re trying to achieve.

Top performers are almost always. Characterized by an all-consuming single-mindedness. The first questions I now ask myself before embarking on any endeavor really, whether personal or in business or otherwise, are one. What does a win? Look like here. Exactly. Two. What is it probably going to take to get there in terms of time, money, energy, and effort?

And three, can I say without reservation that I am ready to pay that price and probably more, and I don’t begin until I’m satisfied that I’ve fully answered numbers one and two and absolutely positive in my. To number three. In other words, I avoid vague, unqualified lukewarm commitments, and this means that I get to spend most of my time on activities that are aligned to clear cut and achievable objectives, and as this has proven to be a reliable.

Recipe for necessity for me. I also now get to enjoy more meaningful wins. Okay, so let’s wrap this episode up with a little practical exercise. A little do this now. So can you think of any endeavors or even entire areas of your life where you feel that your necessity quotient is lacking? Where it’s. You know, where you’re just kind of going through the motions of half-hearted commitments.

Of course you can. We all can now consider this. What would your relationship to those undertakings or those parts of your life look like if you were to approach them with unwavering compulsion, duty and relentlessness? What would you have to do for other people to consider you obsessed? Take your time.

Think about this. Get specific now. What do you think might happen if you were to be that person for the next year or two or five? How might things change and. What’s at least one thing that you could start doing today, no matter how small or simple to move toward becoming that person to start thinking and behaving that way?

Well, there is your jumping off point. There is your first step of what could become a transformative journey if you are willing to continue walking the path. And that’s it for the highlights from that episode. And that’s it for this episode of Muscle for Life. Thank you again for joining me today. I hope you liked it.

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