Interview with Scott Herman on Tough Mudder, breaking plateaus, and more!

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Hey, it’s Mike, and this is an interview that I did with Scott Herman from the incredibly popular YouTube channel, Scott Herman Fitness and also, he also has a website, which I believe is scotthermanfitness. com, which is full of content and all kinds of good stuff. And it’s also very popular. And I think he said he’s going to be appearing in a movie soon and he has some different fitness products coming out.

So he’s really branching out and doing some cool stuff. But more importantly, what I like about [00:04:00] Scott is one, he’s a very cool guy. He’s very down to earth. He genuinely just wants to help people. And I see that not only in his, just his demeanor and how he goes about his business now, but going all the way back to his beginning where, YouTube was up and coming.

It was getting popular. He was, he’d always been into fitness and he would get asked a lot of questions. So he figured, I dunno, maybe if I make some videos, people will care. Maybe I can help some people. And and then people liked his videos. And so he said Hey, this could be something.

And then has now built it into this whole thing, which is, similar to my story, but my story is maybe more with the writing. And also I like that Scott, he gives good advice. He has a lot of great videos, especially on form, how to do a bunch of exercises correctly, talks about pretty much anything you’d have a question or you’d want to know he’s probably talked about in a video.

And I like his advice. He knows what he’s doing. He has a lot of experience, not just with owners, with his own body, but also with working with a lot of people and interacting with a lot of people and seeing what kind of problems that they run into and how to best overcome them. So let’s get to the interview.

I think you’re going to like it. [00:05:00] All right. Hey Scott, thanks for taking the time to do this. I really appreciate it. 

Scott Herman: Yeah. Thanks, Mike. Thanks for having me again. Always a pleasure coming here to chat with you. 

Mike Matthews: Yeah, totally. So let’s just jump right into it here. So you know, like many people, many fitness folk you enjoy endurance events, right?

Like kind of tough muttered obstacle course kind of stuff. 

Scott Herman: Yes, 

Mike Matthews: and you’re getting more and more into that. Actually. I remember you were talking may have a whole product Is that out yet? By the way, 

Scott Herman: The video I did for it. 

Mike Matthews: Yeah You mean you’re you’re say you were creating like a whole product on how to train for these events 

Scott Herman: Yeah, we actually we I was part of the Edge of Tomorrow team for Tough Mudder out in Seattle Washington, right?

To promote the movie Edge of Tomorrow. But I was on a team with a bunch of people from like American Ninja Warrior, some Olympic athletes, and we basically ran the course. But before we went out there. I wanted to make sure, there’s a lot of videos that show how to train for a Tough Mudder, but I feel like they, a little on [00:06:00] the extreme side, training for a Tough Mudder, obviously if you want to be top of the pack, you gotta train pretty hard, but just to get your body ready to be able to do better than average, you It doesn’t require you to go to the gym and do all these like crazy different exercises.

It just requires you to put your body through a lot of the simple basic motions. And so for example, one of the things I show and talk about in my video, if you want to watch it, just search Scott Herman top monitor, I’ll even find the link for you. If you want to put it somewhere, Mike.

I’ll link it yeah. The most common injury is people like falling down or twisting their ankles from having weak ankles 

Mike Matthews: and, 

Scott Herman: Think about how often you even move side to side anymore unless you’re playing a sport, 

Mike Matthews: I grew up playing ice hockey and I remember in the beginning my ankles were just destroyed for probably the first, I don’t know, three months.

Scott Herman: Oh, yeah, it’s funny because I run outside around town and I do the side gallop, 

Mike Matthews: Yeah, 

Scott Herman: and I always [00:07:00] think it’s funny when cars drive by and I’m side galloping like I’m like an idiot, 

Mike Matthews: You can just take your shirt off side gallop and talk to yourself and those big All right. This guy and we’ll just leave him alone. Yeah, put a bandana 

Scott Herman: on 

Mike Matthews: too. Yeah 

Scott Herman: It’s funny my friend yesterday at the gym. He’s dude, did you The road I run down is called 111, it’s like a route, yeah. He’s dude, were you running down 111 over the weekend? I think I saw you. I’m like, yep, that was me. I’m the only person who runs down that road. Yeah. But yeah, that video came out, it was pretty cool. Got a lot of good hits. And we actually, we made, we, the video was made by my friend Ben and his team.

And it’s all black and white. It’s it’s a pretty epic video. Even the music to the video is custom. It’s pretty legit, man. 

Mike Matthews: I’m going to check it out for sure. I’ll link it on the download page for this interview. 

Scott Herman: Yeah. Like we we even put water all over the floor in my studio to get a cool vibe.

It was very cold to lay 

Mike Matthews: on, but the video looks awesome. [00:08:00] Nice. Nice. Yeah. I’m often asked about, cause these events are getting more and more popular where people will write me and ask like, how can they train? For the event to yeah, maybe they’re not trying to, finish in the top 10 or something like that, but how can they train for the event without losing a bunch of strength or kind of burning away a bunch of muscle?

Because as you said, a lot of the training recommendations out there are pretty extreme. And if you’re weightlifting three to five days a week, and if you’re doing a lot of heavy compound stuff it’s, you’re not going to be able to now add 10 hours of intense cardio a week without burning yourself out.

You know what I mean? 

Scott Herman: Yeah, exactly. 

Mike Matthews: How do you do it? 

Scott Herman: I just got the link for you right here. So I’m going to send that to you. So now you got it. Cool. It’s called ultimate guide to Tough Mudder full training program. And if you go into the info section, basically what you’re doing is I think high intensity interval training is a really great way to get your cardio in.

You don’t really [00:09:00] want to Do a lot of really long distance cardio for Tough Mudder because at the end of the day You’re not running a super long distance You’re running, maybe a mile and then you have an obstacle and then maybe a half mile and you have another obstacle, right? So there’s all these rest periods So you don’t have to think that you have to have the endurance to be able to run for 13 miles straight, Right And plus they count the obstacles as miles as well.

So the way my program works is you start off with some hit training. And you actually are going to do flat and incline. So I have you doing 25 minutes of HIIT training in the beginning. So for those who don’t know what HIIT training is, you would do one minute as fast as you can and then maybe a slow walk jog for another minute and you would alternate back and forth each time.

Or you can even go even easier and do one minute walk, jog, and then 30 seconds of running, if you’re not a strong runner. 

Mike Matthews: Yeah. 

Scott Herman: When programs say to run, they’re basically just wanting you to [00:10:00] go faster than a walk. So if you’re thinking, oh my gosh, I suck at running, just run as fast as you can.

Mike Matthews: Yeah. 

Scott Herman: And then that’s your, and that’s your interval of high intensity. And then, yeah, 

Mike Matthews: the idea is that you’re spiking your heart rate. So it’s relative, that depending on your conditioning it might not take necessarily a full out sprint to, to raise it, to elevate your heart rate to that 150 to whatever 170 beats per minute range.

Scott Herman: Yeah, exactly. But even going farther than that, people, because there’s a lot of people doing these events that, don’t even work out. It’s like their first, their intro to it. And so I just think when they see the word run, they go not the call out Erica, but she hates running. 

Mike Matthews: I don’t like running.

I like biking. I don’t like running. 

Scott Herman: Not calling her out, but calling her out anyway. She hates running, 

Mike Matthews: yeah. 

Scott Herman: And we run together all the time on the treadmill, but I don’t expect her, for her intense running, I run all the time, so I have to juice the treadmill up to 10 to 12, getting close [00:11:00] to the max speed to really feel like I’m getting a good run, so everyone’s different on that aspect, but you also want to make sure you’re doing things on flat surfaces and inclined surfaces. The best thing to do would be to see what the terrain’s like where your Tough Mudder is. So for example, The one I did in Seattle was like very flat, maybe small hills like in the woods, and by small like slight inclines and then declines.

But the Tough Mudders that I do in Vermont are on the side of the mountain if you’re not used to going uphill or running uphill, the first thing to give out is your calves, and so you need to make sure you’re trained for that. And you can easily do that just by inclining the treadmill, and so for those 25 minutes of HIIT cardio.

I do 15 minutes of flat and then 10 minutes of incline and that’s it. That 

Mike Matthews: makes 

Scott Herman: sense. 

Mike Matthews: And when you’re prepping for these types of things, how much cardio are you doing? Are you doing three or four sessions a week? Are you doing more or less? 

Scott Herman: Yeah, I would, I’m doing it about maybe four max on two to three.

Yeah, I’m the same 

Mike Matthews: [00:12:00] way. I find that if I start doing, that’s just how my body is, if I start doing five tried, five or even six kind of HIIT sessions per week, I start to notice it in the gym. It’s just my leg workouts suffer a little bit and especially if I’m in a calorie deficit, then it’s, then I really can’t do it, but.

Scott Herman: Oh, yeah, definitely. It kills me, too. That’s why I try to keep it at a minimum. Yeah. I was getting irritated at the Tough Mudder in Seattle because there was this kid on my team. His name was James. He’s an American ninja warrior. He actually he’s made it to the finale. I think twice So he’s one of this the good ones man.

The dude is a machine and we had been traveling for two months straight And I was I sick, babe? I thought I was getting a little sick by, yeah, I was like starting to get sick, I was having like fevers and what not. And here’s this kid on my team, running like hardcore the whole time.

And I’m like, I’m not gonna let this, I, we were friends, but I’m like, screw this kid. Yeah. So I’m trying to keep up with him the whole time. [00:13:00] And he’s just taking off and I’m like, oh, damn it, here we go again. But it was good because it kicked me out of my funk. Yeah.

But man, I was like, wow I need to get work on my client some more. 

Mike Matthews: Yeah, I’m sure if, with, if he’s on that, that’s what he does these crazy obstacle. Cause obviously if that’s all you were training for, you’d be doing different things. Your entire training routine would be different if that’s really all you’re looking for.

It’s good cardio endurance and good, body weight, muscular endurance, or you can just throw your body weight around for, forever. 

Scott Herman: Yeah. The dude is like really thin and then he flexes his bicep and it looks like a boulder was inserted into his arm. Really, he looks way thinner, than I do, and then he flexes his bicep, and it’s just whoosh, and it’s holy crap, because they do a lot of work, a lot of pull ups, a lot of stairs and ladders, a lot of everything.

Yeah, just 

Mike Matthews: training specifically for, these types of courses. 

Scott Herman: Yeah with that in mind so this workout has two circuits and the circuits are to prepare your body for doing these [00:14:00] obstacles, and The first exercise is a monkey bar pull up and a lot of people when they get to the monkey bars It’s like they cringe, and so if you have access to monkey bars, you’re basically, you know You go to the first bar and do a pull up go to the next bar do a pull up go to the third bar Do a pull up, you know Because you’re I want you guys to do pull ups to work your back and build up a body strength but also, if you’re not used to monkey bars, having to let go of the bar and re grip, that’s what gets your forearms tired, and so this workout also has modifiers for all of this. So there might be people who can’t even do a pull up, and so we have modifiers to get people to be able to do, one pull up, and then go to the extreme to do monkey bars. And yeah. For the people who don’t have access to monkey bars, I have a few modifications that you can do just with a standard pull up bar to simulate the letting go and re gripping of when you’re doing monkey bars.

And then, we have things like a plyo push up, and there’s modifiers for that as well, like doing a regular [00:15:00] push up or doing it on your knees. And then we have a goblet squat. And then the second circuit, so this all takes probably about 45 minutes to do. And then the second circuit, I have people doing an army crawl, because army crawling is part having to crawl through all these tubes and tunnels that are throughout the course.

And then I superset that with an alternating jumping lunge. 

Mike Matthews: Yeah, and then I, just, for the listeners, you can find this on YouTube. If you just search, it’s called the name of the video is ultimate guide to Tough Mudder full training program, and it’s on Scott Herman fitness is the channel.

So if you just search that, I’ll come up and I’ll also link it, like I said, on the download page, people can go check this out, but that’s great. Yeah. So it’s don’t go crazy with your training. Don’t go crazy with your cardio focus on high intensity cardio to build up your.

Your cardiovascular capacity without burning your body out and then do some specific type of routines that are just going to prepare your body for what you have to do. It’s like the summary. 

Scott Herman: Exactly. And [00:16:00] we also at the very end, we go over what to wear because that can really be. That can really make the Tough Mudder an enjoyable or horrible experience.

Like for example, if you go into the Tough Mudder wearing like clunky sneakers, they’re gonna feel like 30 pound cement blocks after that first mud puddle you jump in. 

Mike Matthews: Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. 

Scott Herman: Clothing too. People like to go to Tough Mudder and they like to dress up in costumes and whatnot.

And like I saw a group of dudes once go, like they all had suits on, and suits aren’t that comfortable to begin with, let alone when they’re wet. If you’re having to be out in rain, I can only imagine what it feels like to wear a suit and have mud caked in all your jacket and your clothes and your shoes and belts.

And 

Mike Matthews: I’m going to, I’m going to assume they didn’t win. 

Scott Herman: Yeah. Nobody wins cause it’s a team event, but 

Mike Matthews: Oh, they didn’t. What they didn’t, is it? I don’t even, I know exactly. They don’t have placing Oh, your first place, your second place. 

Scott Herman: No, they do they have a way to track it to see who, [00:17:00] how fast people complete the event, because you can then go on to do different types of Mudders where it’s more competitive, but Tough Mudder is mainly, they want you to focus on, helping each other, working together and overcoming obstacles and supporting each other.

That’s cool. Yeah, it’s pretty sweet. But yeah, they still obviously have that competitive atmosphere to it like the last one was cool because now that I’m a legionnaire because I’ve done like six Tough Mudders or four times. I don’t know how many I’ve done five maybe. But anyways, so you get a special headband and there were a few obstacles that were a little more difficult.

And you can only do them if you were an Elysian Heir, so that was pretty cool. 

Mike Matthews: That’s cool, 

Scott Herman: that’s fun. 

Mike Matthews: Alright, cool, so great. So yeah, I’ll link the video, people can go check it out and learn more, but that’s a good summary of basically also what I just generally recommend people ask me about it. So let’s move on to this next point here, which is that, similar to me, you’ve been lifting for a long time now.

And, I think we’ve pretty much [00:18:00] maxed out our genetic potential. If you just look at your fat free mass index I’m sure you’re right up at the top of what you can naturally. Achieve in terms of muscle growth? I know I am. Yeah. I think at this point, 

Scott Herman: If I do grow, it’s gonna be areas that can still grow, like traps or calves, exactly. It’s not gonna be like, my arm’s gonna hit 18 inches. 

Mike Matthews: Yeah, exactly. And I’m the same way. Like I, I’ll take a little bit more of my calves and a little bit more in my shoulders, as as a natural weight lifter, your shoulders are never, they’re always too small. . That’s 

Scott Herman: pretty much, yeah. That’s the number one way to figure out when someone’s juicing, 

Mike Matthews: yeah, of course. The big, massive delts, the massive upper chest. 

Scott Herman: Oh, I’m all natural. I just eat a lot of protein. 

Mike Matthews: Yeah, and then the crazy acne everywhere, which is just an allergy to the protein, right? Yeah, the allergenic protein. That’s a protein, that’s a protein allergy. With what’s, with that being said, what’s your motivation at this point?

Like what do people, because, a lot of people when they’re getting into fitness, they’re look, they’re obviously looking to get that type of [00:19:00] body they want. But then it’s an interesting thing once you pretty much have the body you want. If you’re you can have this new problem of, I don’t know for you, but even for me, even if I could gain another 10 pounds or 15 pounds of muscle, I actually wouldn’t want to, because I don’t want to be big and bold.

I don’t want to look like a bodybuilder per se. So what’s your motivation? What, you’re not going to see any more major improvements in your physique or your performance necessarily. 

Scott Herman: I’m sure, just like you, I just like to stand naked in front of a tall mirror and look at myself, and if I was.

It’s not looking good. It wouldn’t be a good experience. That’s a good way of putting it. It’s funny you say that because this is something that Erica and I talk about on a weekly basis. Not necessarily my gains, but the industry in general and, where everything is going.

You’re my age, right? You’re, I’m 30? Yeah, I’m 30. Yeah, so we’re both 30. I’m not, when I was 18, I was, my biggest concerns were how much weight I could lift and getting big and, walking around and flexing my chest and, looking real good. And obviously to some point, we’re all still [00:20:00] that same vein, like 18 year old, you want to look good, we’re a little more mature now.

But, I, the, one of the most irritating things I see online is when dudes come at me and they’re like, Oh my God, you’ve been lifting forever. Why aren’t you bigger? You know what I mean? Yeah. And then they send me like a person’s name to look up on Google. They’re like, this dude’s big and I look at him and he’s the most unnatural person I’ve ever seen in my life.

Why are you comparing me to this? But more, more or less, I get irritated because I hate how everyone assumes just because you lift weights, your goal is to become a monster because. That’s like you said, even if you could gain an extra 10 pounds, you wouldn’t want to and that’s my thing and I reply to people and I’m like, I don’t want to be huge like that.

If I wanted to be, I would, I do, and you’d have 

Mike Matthews: to, you’d have to get on drugs. That’s the end of the story. There’s a certain type of look. If you wanted to gain 20 pounds of muscle, you’re not doing that naturally. There’s no way that with your body where it’s at right now, it’s not going to happen.

Scott Herman: Yeah, exactly. And on top of that, I do a [00:21:00] lot of different things. Yeah. I’m not sure if I, if we talked last time, but my, my, my first DVD is out right now on Amazon and it’s going to be in Best Buy and Sam’s Club and Target real soon. But those DVDs, those are they’re really hard, intense workouts and you can build muscle doing them, they require a lot of endurance.

And on top of that, you have to do, I’m doing these exercises while talking. So like career wise. I need to be able to have, a good amount of endurance. Getting that big is really counterproductive to my career. And also, too I got a comment yesterday, and someone’s Do you have a regular 9 to 5 job or do you only do YouTube, like?

Talking to me like YouTube is the easiest thing in the world and I responded. I was like no, bro I don’t have a regular nine to five job. I have a 9 a. m. To 9 p. m. Seven days a week job 

Mike Matthews: Yeah, you know I get that ass of something. I asked that sometimes too. So you just do this is like a side thing Like what do are you serious?

Do you? [00:22:00] Assign what if I didn’t have to do I and I don’t sleep or well, how does that work exactly? 

Scott Herman: Yeah, and like I just, Erica and I decided to do these these holiday workout videos. They’re all 45 minutes a piece. Yeah. Their videos aren’t 45 minutes. The workouts are, you can go in and out of the gym in 45 minutes or less and get a hardcore workout done.

And we did these ones as full length videos showing all the sets and all the reps. And it takes me like four hours just to edit one of those videos and I put out like six of them, 

Mike Matthews: yeah. 

Scott Herman: So it takes a lot out of you. 

Mike Matthews: Yeah, definitely. And that type of work just feels like drudgery.

You just sit there, put music, and just drone, 

Scott Herman: yeah, exactly. And voiceovers and all that stuff. Yeah. But I guess back to the main question. My main goal right now is focusing on ways to Make my business, sustainable for the long run and a lot of other youtubers right now they’re just focused on that next video and Getting bigger so people can tell them how big they are in the comment section.

Yeah, you know [00:23:00] for me, it’s okay When I another 10 years when I’m 40 Is, is this how my life’s gonna be or am I gonna be, successful, my, my website’s running itself. I’m actually, I want to get to the point where now I’m actually bringing in other people who are trying to do what I’m doing and teach them how to do this and have them be content providers on my website and start to really grow my community.

My community has always been about. My website’s always been about community, but now I want to start focusing on helping those members who are trying, to put out quality content, get out there. And that’s my main focus right now. I still want to go to the gym, I’m still working on certain things, obviously I’m still lifting heavy, I’m still keeping the intensity there, but, 

Mike Matthews: you 

Scott Herman: know, like you said, I’m not going to get, I’m not going to be 200 pounds, maybe one day I’ll be a solid 180.

That’d be 

Mike Matthews: great. How tall are you? 

Scott Herman: 510. 

Mike Matthews: Oh, okay. Yeah. 510, 200 lean is is all natty. 

Scott Herman: Yeah, [00:24:00] exactly. It’s all natural. 

Mike Matthews: Yeah, I’m 6’2 and I weigh 190 right now and I’m somewhere between seven and eight percent. So even me, I don’t, I, I. Don’t know if I even naturally could get to 200 and still be this lean.

If I could, it would probably take three or four years would be my two or three years minimum would be my guess. And I don’t even, not that I even want to, sometimes people, they don’t realize how, what the potential, what the natural muscle potential really is because of so many people that like you said, are out there.

That look like Arnold that did in his prime or bigger and, they lie about their weight. They say they weigh less than they do and that’s that, you probably know that little game. Or some dude is Arnold size, 5’10 and he says he weighs 200 pounds.

You’re like, whoa, what? Arnold is what? 6’2’30 and he looked smaller than you? And how does that work 

Scott Herman: exactly? Yeah, exactly. So there’s a 

Mike Matthews: lot of that going around and it can mess with people understandably. So yeah, I know where you’re coming from on that. In your, 

Scott Herman: I posted two days ago my video, it’s called, are you [00:25:00] bulking or just fat?

And I talk about lean gains and this kid is so ignorant and there’s so much ignorance around this. Going off what you said, and he’s you’re selling false hopes, telling people that they can make lean gains. He’s like, why don’t you just, bulk and cut like every other natural bodybuilder and gain some more muscle you’ve been lifting for so long.

And then he left a name of a natural lifter. And I went to go look at the kid’s photos and he’s so juiced out of his face, it wasn’t even funny. Yeah. And my response to this kid, I was like, dude, you can only gain and the misconception is this, if it’s your first year lifting, you’re gonna gain a good 20 25 pounds of muscle, 

Mike Matthews: yeah, I think that’s if you have good genetics, I’ve seen, you’ve probably seen this. I’ve worked with a ton of people. I think like just for the listener to qualify that it depending on your genetics, yes, I’d say the average by 15 to 20 pounds. I think if you were like spot on, you don’t miss, you don’t have any, you don’t miss your workouts.

You don’t mess up with your cuts where a lot of people they’ll sit in the calorie deficit for six months because they’re. [00:26:00] just not very strict with their diet. And so then they don’t build as much muscle. But yeah, I think that the most you could probably hope for is 25 pounds in your first year.

Scott Herman: Yeah. That’s, this is like the science behind it. And your second year is like 10 to 12, your third year is like five to six and your fourth year. And every year after that, you can gain like around four pounds, five pounds, maybe max a year. Yeah. And so I responded to this kid. I was like, dude, I was like, I, you’re really misinformed because no matter how fat you get, you’re not going to gain more than five pounds of muscle if you’re in your fourth plus year of lifting.

Yes. You know what I mean? It’s like you can get, you can gain 80 pounds of fat and you’re going to have to lose 75. Yep. So don’t come at me like I need to bulk and then lose weight. I go, cause the people who are telling you to bulk and then cut are usually the ones that are juicing their faces off because that’s how they.

That’s how they’re able to manipulate the general population because the general population is oh he game 30 pounds. So of course he’s going to [00:27:00] keep like 20 pounds of muscle. You know what I mean? 

It’s like how they think because they don’t understand why he gained 30 pounds of fat.

That’s why he looks like a meatball. 

Mike Matthews: Yeah. Yep. Yeah. In in my books like bigger, little stronger, thinner, stronger. I talk about bulking and cutting and the, why the traditional type of bulk and cut, like what you’re talking about where you just eat obscene amounts of food. Go, go just search for how to bulk and you’re going to get a lot of recommendations of like you have 150 pound guys being told to eat 4000 plus calories a day.

And the, yes it’s indisputable that, energy balance affects muscle growth. We all know that if you’re in a calorie deficit, you are not going to build as much muscle as a calorie surplus. But what a lot of people miss is a surplus is a. It’s a diminished. It’s a point of diminishing returns.

It’s not Oh, a slight surplus means that you build a bit more muscle. So a massive surplus must mean you’re on steroids. No, that’s not how it works. A massive surplus just means massive fat gains. That’s the [00:28:00] kind of the qualification there that if you keep yourself in a slight calorie surplus, yes, you’re going to do better.

You’re going to get a little bit of fatter over time, but you’ll be able to gain just as much muscle as fat, probably a one to one ratio would be the normal. Do you agree with that? I agree. Yeah, definitely. It’s, 

Scott Herman: it’s like you said, it’s a very big misconception, 

Mike Matthews: yeah. And so yeah, great.

So in terms of So now, I don’t know for you, but for me, it feels like my, the motivation is you’ve built the body you want. It performs well and now it almost feels like you get to enjoy it in a sense. Would you agree with that? Yeah, exactly. Like you can change your workouts.

I know you like to do, sometimes they could do a lot of like higher intensity type of workouts or some days, some weeks you feel like lifting really heavy. You can play with your diet a bit. 

Scott Herman: Yeah. I feel like too, at this point, I can, And also with the lifestyle and the career and all the traveling, I feel like I can bounce back super quick.

If I’m out of my [00:29:00] groove for a few weeks, it’s not I still look pretty lean and muscular, it’s not once you really build that solid foundation, if you ever start to waver away from your routine, it’s easy to jump back in and still look just as good. Yep. So yeah, you can enjoy yourself a bit more and not to worry as much about.

What, how much you’re eating, if you’re happening to be on some cheat meals or whatnot. Yep. But, but, at the end of the day, though, too, I like, I like having my schedule. I like being in the gym for a few hours. Like I feel better about myself when I’m there. I think it’s more of a, like, how do I say it?

I like to feel accomplished. So if I go to the gym and do a workout. And I leave, I feel like I, I did something like I accomplished a goal of just like for example, if I clean my car, I feel good about myself because I did a goal, I did something that I can actually physically see that has been achieved and done, and working out the same way for me, it [00:30:00] makes me feel good.

I feel like, okay, even if the workout wasn’t the best workout in the world, I still feel. So much better. And I don’t feel stressed out. Yeah. Yeah. 

Mike Matthews: No, that’s and there’s a lot of science behind that. Even like you have the brain chemistry of what’s going on, but then there’s also just the psychology of it.

Like what you’re saying. 

Scott Herman: Yeah, exactly. 

Mike Matthews: Yeah. I can definitely relate to that. And part of my motivation is just to go train because it feels good. And I train early in the morning. So it’s just a great way to start my day. Yeah. So that’s also something to look forward to is that, if you, the listener, you’re probably pretty excited getting into it, but it in my opinion, I think it, it stays just as equally like you get.

You’re just as hooked on it, in five years in, as you were in the first year, because while your body isn’t changing like it was in the first year, in the fifth year, you’re still feeling you still got all the benefits of your workouts. You feel good about yourself, you, and then you have the added benefit of whenever you do see yourself in a mirror, you’re like, Oh, I look good.

So I think there’s [00:31:00] a lot to look forward to. It’s not like a, once you look a certain way, now you just feel like you’re wasting your time. You know what I mean? Yeah, I agree. Yeah. So when you were coming up and building your physique, maybe it’s not so much of an issue now because of the things we’re talking about.

But if you hit plateaus like in, we’ve all experienced that, whether it’s strength plateaus or usually, if your strength is plateaued, if you’re not adding weight to the bar over time, your physique is usually plateaued as well. What were, or what are, if you’re still trying to work through things like that your favorite strategies for keeping things moving in the right direction?

Scott Herman: For me when I feel like I’m at a stuck or sticking point. Yeah. I always like to go back to my original routines, which is a lot of a lot of burn sets and a lot of super setting. Because I feel like that’s where I’m gaining the most when I do short rest periods and supersets or a lot of drops It’s like for example you know I had to train differently for the holiday workout series because it’s just you know, a lot of volume with [00:32:00] short rest periods 

Mike Matthews: Yeah, 

Scott Herman: and so now I’m trying to get back to how I usually train Which is I do three or four drops on my first set of every exercise.

And so I was doing like a hundred, say I was doing chest, I was doing a hundred pound dumbbells for, eight repetitions, and then I’d drop and grab eighties for eight, then I’d grab sixty fives for eight, then I’d grab like fifties for eight, and then I’d get like just set of 15 and I would crush my first set just like that.

And so I tried doing that this week and I was barely, I did 100s for eight and then I did like 65s for eight and I was toast. And it sucks because I’m like, damn, I need to get back to, get my endurance and my strength back up because from my body type, I build more muscle and strength by doing these types of routines and yeah, so for me right now, my goal is to get back to doing that on all my exercises. Today I’m doing legs, and I’m gonna do it on my squats. I’m gonna do That’s gonna be 

Mike Matthews: brutal. 

Scott Herman: Yeah, it’s gonna suck. [00:33:00] Yeah. But, I know, and in my head I know, okay, even if I have to go a little lighter to get all the sets done, It’s going to be a good thing because it’s going to get my body back to that intensity where I think it feels its best.

And I think a lot of lifters, they need to figure out, what kind of routines work best for their bodies and what kind of routines make them feel their best, 

Mike Matthews: yeah. 

Scott Herman: Nothing is worse than coming out of the gym and still feeling loose, yeah. And that bothers me a lot.

And if I leave the gym and for example, if I do an ab workout and I leave the gym and I don’t even feel like my abs did anything, I get discouraged. I’m like, damn, it sucked. 

Mike Matthews: I understand that. 

Scott Herman: What did I do wrong? 

Mike Matthews: Yeah. Yeah. I’ve tried a lot of different types of routines myself and found that the higher rep stuff, I made some gains, but I made better gains with heavier lifting and saving higher rep stuff for the end of the workouts.[00:34:00] 

Scott Herman: Yeah, see, and like I said, everyone is a bit different, so that’s, if that’s what works for you, that’s perfect. 

Mike Matthews: Yeah. And speaking of exercises in particular if go into any gym and you’re gonna see people doing all kinds of stuff for, just about every muscle group in the body and, obviously a lot of ridiculous things.

So what are some of the common mistakes that you see in terms of exercise choices and muscle groups trained? 

Scott Herman: I think the most common is with arms, to be honest. 

Mike Matthews: I 

Scott Herman: mean, squats and bench press. You 

Mike Matthews: don’t see people squatting properly, at least I don’t, I rarely see that. You either see half, no squats, or like half squats.

Scott Herman: Yeah, as far as exercises in succession, I feel like people screw up their arms the most because they do for example, biceps. to do a lot of swinging. There’s never really a lot of full range of motion. I did a post the other day on Facebook because I was doing this like hardcore arm routine where I was super setting biceps and [00:35:00] triceps.

I was taking 30 second rest periods and I was doing like 10 reps on every exercise. And I was like, I was destroying myself. And so I was at the, on my second super set and I was at the dumbbell rack and I was. I was curling 40 pound dumbbells alternating one arm at a time, and then I was doing an overhead extension with 80 pounds standing, and I was supersetting that back forth.

And this dude comes over and he starts curling 65s, right? Yeah, and he’s like throwing his body into every single curl and his elbows are going backwards as his arm goes up So like when you do it like that, you’re not really doing much of a curl I mean if the dumbo never goes past the bottom of your chest, that’s a super easy curl to do Yeah, you know So anyways, and I was like whatever and then I he sees me like struggling like making faces My face is turning red and I’m getting all veiny because I’m pushing myself hard And then I see him turn around after he’s done his set and start talking shit about me to his friend.

[00:36:00] Ha, really? And, I just wanted to gr I just wanted to pick up the 70 pound dumbbells and go over to him and be like, Look how easy this is, because you don’t know how to curl properly. 

Mike Matthews: You could pick up the hundreds and do those little fake curls. 

Scott Herman: Yeah, and it’s like I get annoyed because I don’t I mean whatever I’m a dude, you know I don’t like people looking at me.

And first of all, just you know, stay in my face. I’m right there I’ll talk to you. I’ll tell you how dumb you are, but it’s like I sometimes like I get irritated when I use lighter weight when I’m doing these supersets because You got all these bros looking at you like not understanding how to exercise properly and they think that you’re weak because you’re curling 40s when in reality they couldn’t even curl 35s doing the routine that you’re doing, 

Mike Matthews: yeah, and that’s the case with every exercise. That’s the case with squats, with deadlifts, with bench press, military press, everything. How many half reps do you see on? On all of those exercises and, if they were to do it properly, they would probably have to cut their weight.

In some cases, I [00:37:00] see a lot where it’s just ridiculous. They probably would have to go down, 30, 40 percent just to do one proper rep. 

Scott Herman: Here’s the thing too, and this is what I don’t understand. In my gym, all the squat racks are next to each other, right? Yeah same. I’m in the middle squat rack and there’s a dude squatting on the right of me and a dude squatting on the left of me.

And obviously you, everyone looks at each other when they were lifting. It’s just, you look around or whatever. Yeah. And growing up, how I learned to train was a lot just from watching the members. I was working in a gym when I was 14. So while I was working and cleaning equipment, I would watch people do exercises, yeah. That’s how I would learn. And if you’re squatting 225, and the other dude’s squatting 225, but yet you’re going all the way down to the ground, and all the way up with each rep, and they’re doing these half reps, and they look at you doing the same weight, but going all the way down, don’t you think you would be like, wow, I suck, maybe I should go [00:38:00] all the way down.

Mike Matthews: Or 

Scott Herman: even 

Mike Matthews: Maybe I should try that huh, that looks interesting. 

Scott Herman: Yeah wow, he’s actually Lifting just as much as me, but his ass is to the ground. Maybe I should try that. It’s probably a better workout. 

Mike Matthews: Yeah. 

Scott Herman: This dude is clearly in better shape than I am. He might know what he’s doing, That’s how I thought when I was a kid.

I would look at the people who are in the best shape and I’d be like, Okay, I’m gonna do what that guy’s doing. 

Mike Matthews: Yeah, 

Scott Herman: or girl, whatever. 

Mike Matthews: Yeah, it’s true. And that’s how I wait that you’re 

Scott Herman: she watched me lifting all the time She’s like I want to be with that guy. I think

She was like she was attracted to 

Mike Matthews: my grunting that yeah, that’s what gets him grunting That’s what gets their attention. Oh that’s it. That’s the, that’s a mating call. It works. Yeah. . Yeah. No, that’s very true. And what are some of the exercises? Specific exercise like for instance, I’ll kick it off with exercises that I think are absolutely worthless.

A lot of people do side bends. Why would [00:39:00] any, and you usually see a lot of overweight people doing side bends. Why? To get bigger oblique. So you can look fatter like that. Just an example of an exercise that I just don’t understand. Now which side bends do you mean because I grab a 45 pound plate and then just bend to the side, bend to the side so you can get bigger and bigger obliques, which means you have, which means you have to stay leaner and leaner or you just look fat.

Scott Herman: To be honest, it’s actually one of my favorite exercises. 

Mike Matthews: Do you have small obliques though? Yeah. Then that’s, I mean that I, the, okay, I’ll qualify that. If you have underdeveloped obliques, I guess it would make sense. But in the majority of people that I’ve worked with, by 

Scott Herman: I don’t have small obliques.

I have a tight core. That’s what I thought you meant. 

Mike Matthews: Yeah no, I mean the oblique muscle itself if it gets too big like for instance the guy Lazar Angel, whatever his name that dude has massive obliques and if he doesn’t stay lean he it would just look ridiculous It would look like a muffin top.

You know what I mean? [00:40:00] 

Scott Herman: Yeah, I understand that I the way I feel like the, what irritates you is how that website, how that exercise is performed as opposed to the exercise itself. Because I get irritated. Why 

Mike Matthews: people are doing it. Like they think that’s going to give them a great, core.

Yeah. When they’re 10 percent over where they need to be to even look, to have a core. 

Scott Herman: Yeah, exactly. And with that exercise too, the way I teach it I basically feel Every, the entire exercise, like in the middle of my core. So I’m hitting my oblique, I’m hitting my serus a bit, and it’s much more than just like rocking back and forth.

I keep my body super stiff as I dip down to one side, I keep my core flexed and I really feel it in my oblique, and I do enjoy the exercise, but when you just see someone grab a 45 pound plate and they just walk back and forth, like they’re, singing a tune in their head.

I get irritated with that because then I’m like, what are you even doing? Do you even feel that anywhere? You know what I mean? [00:41:00] Yeah. If you’re, when your hips are swaying like left and right three feet each side, it’s not, the exercise is pointless, 

Mike Matthews: I guess there’s also the point of though, like if you’re somebody like you, you’re lean, you’re muscular, it can work.

But for the average person that I see doing side bends, like I said, it’s just overweight and they’re not getting thinner and it’s not going to help. It’s if, especially you’ll see it with girls, for instance, if a girl is overweight and she’s not going to reduce her body fat percentage, she probably shouldn’t lift weights because it’s just going to make her look bigger.

Like it’s not going to make her look better. You know what I mean? 

Scott Herman: I agree. I guess the exercises that irritate me the most that I see people do and not to not talk about obviously form and foreign emotional stuff, I get mostly irritated with the trainers in my gym and The trainers in my gym that are having their 200lb overweight clients do like a standing overhead tricep extension with a 10lb dumbbell.

I just want [00:42:00] to take that dumbbell and smash their head with it. 

Mike Matthews: Yes. 

Scott Herman: Because, and also and I also hate the trainers that have their clients do like squats and a bow suit ball. It’s like this lady’s 200lbs overweight, she’d get a better workout if you had her sit down on the ground and stand up 50 times in a row.

You know what I mean? And they, they tried to, impress their client. Ooh, this exercise is making it hard for me to stand up straight. Wow, I must be working a lot of muscle here, 

Mike Matthews: yeah, when there’s, I’ve seen quite a few studies that show that there, there’s no good use for the BOSU ball in terms of weightlifting.

The whole instability thing is, it’s just been debunked. 

Scott Herman: Yeah, I like to use the BOSU ball when I do this this abdominal superset, where I’ll lay on the floor and I’ll do 30 floor crunches and then I’ll go, I’ll roll over onto the BOSU ball and do 30 crunches that way to get an even deeper, arch my back, 

Mike Matthews: yeah. No, like for standing on the little half ball for squats or, getting on there for your chest pressing or whatever. 

Scott Herman: Yeah, [00:43:00] exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I get more irritated with the use of exercises. By trainers that make no sense, 

Mike Matthews: Yeah, like for instance hyper extensions You have, again, the one of the people I see doing hyper extensions are not in shape at all.

They never deadlift. They never squat. So they’re not really doing anything like that. If you want a strong back and a strong lower back, just deadlift and squat heavy a few times a week. And that’s, or even once a week, if you’re doing, depending on your, how your program is set up. But hyper extensions, I never do hyper extensions.

And I know that so there are some valid uses of hyperextensions if you’re doing rehab or I know that there are some powerlifting routines that include hyperextensions, but just doing hyperextensions is going to do nothing. Why? For what? 

Scott Herman: Yeah, yeah, I agree. If you’re working your core, you’re getting a lot of lower back work on your exercises like your deadlifts and your squats and whatnot.

Oh, this exercise, the glute bridge. So the [00:44:00] glute raise, I always see trainers show this exercise and just show it the wrong way to do it. 

Mike Matthews: Yeah. 

Scott Herman: The whole point of that exercise is that when you get to the top of the movement, You squeeze your butt as hard as you can to get that hip hyperextension at the top.

So you push through, that’s why I was in Florida at a, doing a photo shoot for BSN and this dude was training these two chicks, basically just flirting the whole time while he is training him. 

Mike Matthews: Yeah. Standard. 

Scott Herman: And he’s, he’s having them do the glute raise, the glute bridge.

And he puts the bar in their waist and then he just tells ’em how beautiful they are the whole time they’re doing it and. It’s like they didn’t even do one rep. They didn’t even get any activation in their butt because they never went to the top of the movement and squeezed and pushed through, 

Mike Matthews: yeah, that’s a good point. It’s not necessarily, and that’s a good example of where it’s not the weight that you’re using, it’s yes, it’s good to get stronger and be able to, you see some pretty impressive videos of girls on YouTube, where they can do hip thrusts with 225 pounds and do it right.

The [00:45:00] point is doing it correct. And if that means you start with the bar in the beginning and that’s all you can do, then that’s where you start. 

Scott Herman: Yeah. I guess when we talk about things like this, it brings a realization of how scary it is for beginners and people looking for a trainer in a gym.

Imagine if you had the, imagine if you do nothing and you had to go rely on a trainer at your gym right now. If I went to my gym right now and had to get a trainer, I’d probably just. 

Mike Matthews: I did that years ago and I just, I tried all different types of things and work with trainers that would have me do all kinds of ridiculous stuff.

I’ve lived that. I know how that is. 

Scott Herman: That should be a video series. I’m gonna wear baggy clothes and then have higher trainers to train me. That’s a great idea. I’ll wear like a hidden camera. Oh, what are we doing now? Oh, how do you how do I properly do a chest press? 

Mike Matthews: Actually, it’d be fun. What 

Scott Herman: Stop halfway.

Okay. 

Mike Matthews: Yeah to protect my shoulders. Okay Squat two inches down to make [00:46:00] sure I don’t blow out my knees. All right. Yeah, they’re great. That makes sense don’t ever dead, don’t ever deadlift because it’s gonna split my spine in half. Yeah. Okay. Okay, 

Scott Herman: that’s a good idea Don’t you do that? That’s my idea 

Mike Matthews: You’re the YouTube star, not me.

Scott Herman: I did a good TV show undercover trainer. Ah, that’s a good, that’s a good name. 

Mike Matthews: That is a good name 

Scott Herman: for a different being going to different gyms undercover and get trained 

Mike Matthews: undercover trainer. com. Oh, somebody has it, but you can get it. It’s not a website. It’s just parked. You could get it. 

Scott Herman: That’s probably a different website.

Oh, yeah. No, it’s 

Mike Matthews: not actually it’s just Yeah, I don’t should be a sensible porn name too. Cool I guess one last thing just to my little asses peeve is Smith machine stuff where and I used to use a Smith machine and you know there’s research that shows and you even need the research just do go squat in a Smith machine and then go squat a [00:47:00] free bar Same weight and you’re going to immediately feel the difference free weight is just much harder.

And research backs that up that you’re going to make better gains. Doing, most people are doing, if they’re going to use this as a machine, it’s going to be chest pressing, shoulder pressing and squatting. Yeah I what’s a valid use of this Smith machine. I don’t know. I get, unless maybe if you have a rehab type situation, I just why?

If it’s easier, I think a general rule in weightlifting, I don’t know if you agree is if it makes it easier to do, it’s probably not a good idea. 

Scott Herman: Yeah. I feel like if it just means less effort, you’re like, Oh, 

Mike Matthews: that’s easier. I’ll just do that. 

Scott Herman: You have to be very tactful when you use the Smith machine. I know Erica likes to use the Smith machine for her squats because she does have a bit of pain in her lower back and so she’s able to put her feet a bit further forward to reduce butt wink and lower back pressure 

Mike Matthews: so See that makes sense, there’s a reason for that.

Scott Herman: Yeah, exactly, there’s a reason. 

Mike Matthews: And she could also then probably front squat with free weight and [00:48:00] be okay then. 

Scott Herman: Yeah, her front squats, she always uses free weights with front squats. There’s an exercise I actually just did for my video that’s coming out, it’s the last video in My holiday series for glutes and calves, but I use the Smith machine for barbell step ups So they had the bench in front of me And I would step I step back and go all the way to the floor with my knee All right, and then step up and then as I step up on the bench I lift my leg in the air.

So I’m doing one leg at a time obviously, right? So it really helps when exercise like that so you can focus on your glutes a bit more, 

Mike Matthews: right? 

Scott Herman: Obviously you could do it free weights and it’d be a bit harder, but for me, we’re going for more Endurance and a volume. It didn’t really matter What I used and sometimes i’ll use the smith machine for a bent over reverse grip row Because you can position your body over the bar and maybe just [00:49:00] focus more on that scapula retraction So yeah, as long as there’s a reason why you’re doing it You’re not using all the time in the Smith machine can be very helpful I still don’t understand, the people who lay down under the Smith machine and do the 

Mike Matthews: leg press into there 

Scott Herman: I don’t understand.

I just saw someone doing that again this weekend. I’m like, what are you doing? 

Mike Matthews: Yeah, where why what is that? Even what? is going on right now. 

Scott Herman: I’m like, how do you get the bar off and turn it with your foot? 

Mike Matthews: Skills, skills. Yeah, no, I can definitely see that. My, my thing on the Smith machine is don’t replace your big compound lifts with Smith machine versions of it.

Don’t, I used to only train on the Smith machine when I, years ago. Or do most of my barbell pressing and my squatting on the Smith machine. And when I went from the Smith to the, just got off the Smith, went to, free weight bench and stuff. I was amazed at how much weaker, I think I was like, I had to take 50 pounds off the bar just because I, just didn’t [00:50:00] have all the little muscles and all the stabilize on the free weight bench.

For instance, it was. I was pretty shocked. 

Scott Herman: And also, if you’re going to use the Smith machine, you can’t not count the weight of the bar, because it weighs nothing. 

Mike Matthews: True. 

Yeah. Yeah, it doesn’t. 

Scott Herman: And people use, I think a lot of guys use the Smith machine so they can put Yes.

Plates. A bunch of weights, plates on. I was watching this guy shoulder press, and I think the Smith machine is one of the worst exercises, or one of the worst things you can use for your shoulder press, because I think it gives. A false impression of proper form, if you’re not used to doing it properly, and this guy was shoulder pressing two two 45s on each side, and he was going down to maybe his nose, so he wasn’t even going down to his chest. 

Mike Matthews: Yeah. 

Scott Herman: And he had a spotter, and every time he brought the weight down, he could never do one rep by himself. The spotter had to jump in and grab his elbows.

I’m like, dude, just do one rep by yourself. 

Mike Matthews: Yeah. And get off the Smith just go. Just go stand. And try with [00:51:00] 25s. You probably would struggle doing it with an overhead press with 25s. Doing it properly. 

Scott Herman: Yeah, and that’s, and people, they might think, some of the listeners might think that, Mike is just talking smack.

But we talk about these things because We know what it’s going to do for you and it’s 

Mike Matthews: more cautionary, don’t be this, these people because it really actually impairs your it’s going to get in the way of making gains. It really is. And in the beginning, yeah, you’re new and pretty much anything you do is going to build muscle and strength.

But once those newbie gains are gone. You really need to know what you’re doing and you really need to avoid these mistakes because these are the major mistakes that just stick people in a rut. And it’s of course showing up and moving your body and doing exercises better than not. But these people that we’re talking about are the people that look the same year after year.

They’re lifting more or less the same weights year after year, could be demotivating. I agree. Yeah. All right, cool. So last but not least, you have a new [00:52:00] website coming out soon, right? I, it might be up by the time this is live. But can you just tell us quickly about, I know you’re pretty excited about it.

How what’s the deal? 

Scott Herman: Yeah, we’ve been working on this thing for so long, probably the last six months, just trying to get everything done and perfect. 

Mike Matthews: Yeah. 

Scott Herman: We took, you’re able to now. Build a profile and interact with friends and other community members through forums or through the profiles itself.

Similar to how any other social media platform works. You can friend request people, you have a board, photos, you can upload videos. And then fitness wise, you have progress charts you can fill in. You have a section where you can upload your max lifts. You have a place where you can put all your measurements and all that good stuff.

And then on top of that, by going into the forum section, you’re, because they’re custom made, everything’s linked to it, to itself. So for example, I have a, what I’m doing too is I’m starting to incorporate [00:53:00] information, workout routines, articles, recipes, and whatnot from members into the website.

This is going to be my way of. We talked a little bit earlier. My main goal now is to start to bring other people up. So this is my way now, giving people a chance to have a voice. And, just like Facebook, you have people who can follow your page, you have people who can be your friend, and every single page on the site that has your content on it also has a social media share buttons.

By uploading content to the website, And then sharing that page, people are able to come back and see all of your content. And the way the videos work on my website, you’re inserting your YouTube URL. You know what I mean? Not only are people watching your videos, but they’re also subscribing to your channel through my site because they can see your videos right there.

They know how to get to it. 

Mike Matthews: Right. 

Scott Herman: And what I’m also doing is I’m allowing people to put information and more in depth routines, exercises, and [00:54:00] exclusive content in the Platinum section on my website, so affiliates can actually sell the Platinum membership, which is 7. 99, gives you access to the entire site, meal plan service, and all that.

And it’s gonna allow them to actually earn some income while they’re trying to build their brand. YouTube is great and all, but for people who are just starting out, you’re probably making like maybe a dollar per video a month. You know what I mean? Like it’s not that lucrative like it used to be.

And so I’m thinking, okay. These people are trying to build businesses, trying to get their name out there. How can I utilize my massive following, and how can I utilize all the opportunities that I’ve had to start to help these people who are in it, for the right reasons. Yeah, 

Mike Matthews: yeah, 

Scott Herman: that’s awesome.

For the average user, if you’re looking for great information, or for tips, or if you need help, that’s what my forums are for, and they’re free to use. Go in the forum section, you can post questions, you can chat with other community members, you can read. [00:55:00] Previous post. You know what I mean?

Mike Matthews: Yeah, great. And this is scotthermanfitness. com, right? 

Scott Herman: Yep, this is scotthermanfitness. com. 

Mike Matthews: Cool. Yeah, so For the listeners definitely go check it out 

Scott Herman: Once the site changes, it’ll be muscularstrength. com. So if you happen to go there, it’s just okay calm you’re in the right place. 

Mike Matthews: Yeah, it’ll forge you.

Obviously, it’ll take you there 

Scott Herman: Yeah, 

Mike Matthews: awesome. Cool. Thanks a lot for taking the time. Thanks again, man. This is awesome I know that these are all just good topics that are gonna really complement with what the listeners have learned just in reading the books You know 

Scott Herman: Yeah, of course, man. It’s my pleasure to be here and chat with you and catch up and, fill in your community on what’s going on.

Yeah. 

Mike Matthews: Yeah, absolutely. All right, cool. Thanks again and have a great day and we’ll definitely stay in touch too. Maybe we can figure out something to do together. 

Scott Herman: That’d be great, bro. 

Mike Matthews: Cool, man. Hey, it’s Mike again. Hope you like the podcast. If you did go ahead and subscribe. I put out new [00:56:00] episodes every week or two where I talk about all kinds of things related to health and fitness and general wellness.

Also head over to my website at www. muscleforlife. com where you’ll find not only past episodes of the podcast, but you’ll also find a bunch of different articles that I’ve written. I release a new one almost every day actually. I release four to six new articles a week. And you can also find my books and everything else that I’m involved in over at muscleforlife.

com. Alright, thanks again. Bye.